I'm going with a solid 8, although I found the whole abandoned colony reveal to be a bit far fetched, after hoping for a fascinating new species. But the many character moments in the episode more than made up for that let down, including Saru's performance as captain upholding Federation ideals; it felt a bit like TNG to me, and that's not a bad thing. The Adira-Stamets interplay was deftly handled and fun, and I'm very interested to see where her (their) Trill story line goes. Wonder how big that tree was 900 years ago...
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"
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Does that mean sloppy writing is canon?
Only if it doesn't directly contradict information established elsewhere and considered official by the creators. When the holographic transmission of the Admiral in "Doctor Bashir, I Presume?(DS9)" said the Eugenics Wars happened 200 years prior to that episode he was clearly wrong and so were the writers. You can ignore those lines of dialogue if they're invalidated by canonical datapoints established elsewhere in the franchise and accepted by CBS/Paramount/etc.
But sloppy writing is otherwise canon no matter how sloppy it might seem.
But sloppy writing is otherwise canon no matter how sloppy it might seem.
As bummed out as I used to be, regarding the fall - or at least the weakening - of the Federation, I'm just gonna put this out there: DSC's current arc is awesome. Season 3 is definitely my favorite that DSC has had. This storyline has given me a much needed dose of hope - I really am getting the sense that the Federation will be reborn.
That said, the sooner they get rid of Georgiou, the better. I can't stand her. I hope the Section 31 series will take place in 2258 so she can be put off the ship ASAP!
And the writers have openly admitted that they made a mistake, and that the offending line can and will be ignored.
That said, the sooner they get rid of Georgiou, the better. I can't stand her. I hope the Section 31 series will take place in 2258 so she can be put off the ship ASAP!
And the writers have openly admitted that they made a mistake, and that the offending line can and will be ignored.
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Michelle Yeoh is great, but it seems strange that the crew still puts up with [STRIKEOUT]the Intendant[/STRIKEOUT] the Empress.
^ Unfortunately, there's really not a whole lot they can do about her.
It's in the crew's best interests to keep Georgiou on board and (nominally) on their side. If they try to get rid of her, she's likely to come back more fierce than ever - this time as an enemy - and they can't afford that.
It's in the crew's best interests to keep Georgiou on board and (nominally) on their side. If they try to get rid of her, she's likely to come back more fierce than ever - this time as an enemy - and they can't afford that.
I've always chalked the Ceti Alpha System stuff in Star Trek II: TWoK, up to Kirk and Spock eliminating any mention of Khan and that possibly out-of-the-way system in the official record.
(except perhaps in highly classified reports, which we've seen Spock is likely to do)
Most likely to keep Khan from getting off-planet and out into the universe.
Chekov not knowing is another glitch...
But I chalk that up to him not yet being part of the bridge crew during "Space Seed" and most likely having no intimate knowledge of the events beyond what the crew was told and what might be left in the official records.
Maybe. There is always the opportunity for the Empress to undermine Discovery from the inside or betray them despite being nice, like Valeris or Dukat.
Perhaps, but at this point it's not in her best interests to do that.
well, a character saying something wrong is not really a contradiction, it’s just the character being wrong because they’re confused/misinformed or whatever. It happens in real life too.
See the infamous “the enterprise is 20 years old” line or, more recently, “these might be the first Romulan ever assimilated”.
This is just humans on a more xenophobic Earth limited by technology and not checking up on fellow humans on another outpost in their solar system. We don't know how much technology the Burn either destroyed or neutralized and this could be like an area left with almost no long-distance communications after the cell phone network has been knocked out and land line phones are dead. Wars and tragedies can do that even if on the surface the localities seem to be alright.
As others have pointed out, you don’t need advanced technology to communicate with titan. 19th century radio will do fine.
They just stopped caring, then. And we know enough about human history and our nature as a species that that would not seem unusual.
Has the fact that dilithium exists that wasn’t hurt by the burn been discussed? How’d it not get burned? And how did all these starships not have a dilithium fail safe? We’ve seen dilithium literally cracking in TOS during extended use. New ships can’t handle this? Or that Romulans ships had a black hole drive that I’m assuming didn’t use dilithium?
Also, a thousand years in the future I’d expect Federation worlds to have portals like the Ionians. It’s insane that they never developed better tech that the one supposedly destroying time space.
Also, a thousand years in the future I’d expect Federation worlds to have portals like the Ionians. It’s insane that they never developed better tech that the one supposedly destroying time space.
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exactly. The issue being political and not technological is the only way to make sense of this.
Xenophobia turns cultured, caring people into selfish, myopic dicks.
i understand it *exploded*, not just cracked as in TVH.
Had it jus stopped working there would have been thousands of stranded starships with only fusion reactors (or whatever alternative power generators they had by then), but with the engines literally exploding...
By the way, it seems it’s only dilithium in current use in a warp core that exploded, that’s why there is still some around. Saru makes up that Discovery wasn’t at warp when the Burn happened and that’s why it didn’t explode, but from what they said earlier I think the excuse doesn’t really hold: even ships not at warp seem to have exploded, as long as their warp cores were powered up.
Does that "elimination" include the supposedly active sensors on the Reliant? It's not an unknown system, the planets are numbered and I think counting is taught at Starfleet Academy.I've always chalked the Ceti Alpha System stuff in Star Trek II: TWoK, up to Kirk and Spock eliminating any mention of Khan and that possibly out-of-the-way system in the official record.
(except perhaps in highly classified reports, which we've seen Spock is likely to do)
Most likely to keep Khan from getting off-planet and out into the universe.
Chekov not knowing is another glitch...
But I chalk that up to him not yet being part of the bridge crew during "Space Seed" and most likely having no intimate knowledge of the events beyond what the crew was told and what might be left in the official records.
