Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

I love the maquis they are so great! I wish they could have created their own independent nation!

 

Even if they were to put all their eggs in that rather bizarre basket, why wouldn’t they wait on Terralysium? Why would you expect her, or anyone, to show up in a random office in an abandoned relay station? And to wait there for 40 years? That dude wouldn’t be my first pick for a landing party, if you get my drift.

 

In fact, in that war, Russia had not invaded Crimea, it was already part of Russia, what the western powers wanted was for the Russians to disarm their maritime bases so that they would not be a threat to the Ottoman Empire, which at that time was practically in a puppet state of england and france.

 

My impression was he was scanning space for some wormhole/time disturbance at the beginning. Maybe he couldn't warp to Terralysium? Or the Planet is too dangerous and unstable with pirates and stuff?

 

Wait, what? I'm sorry, but I don't buy that at all. The Federation may have known she would pop out somewhere in the 32nd century. They may have even sent out an advisory for all liaisons to be on the lookout for her. But not because they would have known she was the key to their salvation. They probably would have done such a thing solely in the interests of helping her and her crew to assimilate to a new time.

Even after the Federation collapsed, I doubt the remaining big-wigs would have been sitting around a derelict space station somewhere saying, "Well, we can still hope for Michael Burnham to show up some day! Order all remaining liaisons to continually man their posts just in case, no matter anything else!". Those remaining functionaries could have collectively spent their time doing things much more useful than just waiting around for decades. Why would they think she could make any bigger difference then any of them?

 

the idea that the federation is a galactic leviathan in the style of Hobbesian thought is not a very pleasant sight.

 

Because she was taking Discovery with her with it's spore drive? A ship that is terribly out of date but in the mess the Federation is in it represents the top of the line.

 

Maybe, but what are they expecting someone from 900 years ago to do for them that they can’t do themselves? And didn’t that dude say there were a couple of Federation ships in the area? Someone couldn’t have told him it was OK to hang up a flag?

 

Normally these plot holes would tip Burnham (and the audience) that something's wrong and this guy is not who he says he is, but unfortunately this show doesn't seem to work that way.

 

Suppose the United States falls, many times we saw things like that in many fictions. But suppose it does so for political reasons and not for catastrophe. You believe that successor states such as the Republic of Texas or the Republic of California would be cruel dictatorships or would be democracies. I believe that most of the people in the United States love democracy if they had to create new states they would maintain the values that democracy represents

 

And if using the past to support their own interests? It's not black and white. Again, the Federation isn't completely gone, even if "true believers" are regarded poorly.

 

Does anyone know why this episode is called That Hope Is You Part 1? From the episode listing for the whole season, there doesn't seem to be a Part 2.

 

Yeah, that guy wouldn't have lasted one day on DS9. Sisko would have thrown him out of an airlock for bugging him about flag protocol during a war. Assuming someone else didn't beat him to it.

 

They seem pretty useless at the moment. At the very least the spore dive is a big win for them. They can't warp but they now have a ship that can go anywhere, even to alternate universes.

Either they can't or they aren't official starfleet officers also. I dunno. He's pretty strict on regulations.

 

will the soviet union ever fall as long as we keep the idea of communism?

 

Depends on who you ask. I still seem some who regard that positively and others who fight back against any representation of it.

 

I wondered if Book’s killing spree/tender animal lover shtick was meant to serve a similar purpose — to make Burnham (and the audience) suspicious of him. But I came to a similar conclusion as you. I don’t have faith the easy emotional moments are anything more than easy emotional moments. Hope I’m wrong.

 

There were many in Italy and France in the 600s who still believed they were living in the Roman Empire even though the western empire had been gone since 476. They still spoke Latin, used Roman money and had local Roman governments. Seems like that’s where they’re going with the 32nd century Federation. I’ll bet not all parts of the galaxy are like the one Burnham is in now. I did not catch where exactly she is in the ep. did anyone else?

 

I'm about halfway through the episode and so far I'm enjoying the smaller scope of two people wandering around a planet getting to know the lay of the metaphorical land. Michael and Book's interactions are enjoyable. I could, however, use a lot less of the patented Michael Burnham Big Emotion (TM). Like, none of it, in fact.

Edit: okay, I am getting a kick out of Drugged!Burnham. That's a context where large acting choices feel appropriate.

 

the answer is that the Soviet Union died. This idea of recreating the federation is something impossible to achieve if we are to go the realistic path the best they can achieve is to create a successor state.