When the framing device is a comedy then I would not expect it to happen in real life.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x06 - "Terminal Provocations"
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What people are saying is that it can still be a comedy without so many meta references.
Maybe a Q came and did Q stuff
Yes, and I said that it can.
I find a funny as it is so I don't a reason for it to change.
I don't mind the meta references, I find them enjoyable.
An 8 again.
i really enjoy that they show Mariner's and Boimler's friendship developing and all, it was nice that they were enjoying each other's company so much.
And the riff on the classic "holodec character goes evil with the safety protocols off" was very enjoyable too. It really shows the advantages they have with it being animated. Both in showing the space environment on the holodeck and with having the holodeck character be non-humanoid (was he a reference to that paperclip character from older versions of Microsoft Word?)
And well I do like seeing Rutherford and Tendi.
I also loved Fletcher and his increasingly insane methods of covering up his mistakes "A Q did it! A Q did it!" Honestly i was half expecting Q to actually show up. And poor Shax, he never gets to blow up stuff :-(
Overall I found the episode's plot and humour better than last week. But I'm still giving an 8 because I feel 9 and 10 would be for episodes that really blow me off my feet.
I can't believe there's only 4 Episodes left
I hope this gets a season 2 and that it will have more episodes.
i really enjoy that they show Mariner's and Boimler's friendship developing and all, it was nice that they were enjoying each other's company so much.
And the riff on the classic "holodec character goes evil with the safety protocols off" was very enjoyable too. It really shows the advantages they have with it being animated. Both in showing the space environment on the holodeck and with having the holodeck character be non-humanoid (was he a reference to that paperclip character from older versions of Microsoft Word?)
And well I do like seeing Rutherford and Tendi.
I also loved Fletcher and his increasingly insane methods of covering up his mistakes "A Q did it! A Q did it!" Honestly i was half expecting Q to actually show up. And poor Shax, he never gets to blow up stuff :-(
Overall I found the episode's plot and humour better than last week. But I'm still giving an 8 because I feel 9 and 10 would be for episodes that really blow me off my feet.
I can't believe there's only 4 Episodes left
I hope this gets a season 2 and that it will have more episodes.
Pretty cool behind the scenes video into how this episode was made from concept to animation:
I think this show is too smart for its own good.
There doesn't need to be one.
When Space Clippit started brutally murdering and beheading but all the “fucks” were still bleeped was when I was reminded of that I was watching U.S.A. television.
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And him whispering with his dying breath that he's gonna cut off his foot XD
I didn't immediately know what to make of the episode. I liked badgey as a reference to clippy, and Shax pleading for a good shot cause he was a very good boi recently... but the rest was just meaningless. The Chu Chu dance could've been a reference to this TOS outtake (15:47), but the Chu Chu and Fletcher stuff was neither interesting, nor funny to me. Was hoping for a Titan or Riker cameo.
(15:47)
Where? How? This would be something I’d love to see the show actually do, but so far I haven’t seen it. In fact, I’d love to see them break the 4th wall, or even take a subtle jab at The Great Bird.
Now, I say this, but might regret it because so far, the writing has been far from clever.
I liked Badgey, but why not give him an actual personality and not just make him malevolent? Make him a total smart ass who has contempt for Starfleet, or it’s officers, or star ships, or humans. Character was a good idea, they just didn’t go deep enough.
Sadly, I’v concluded that Mariner and Tendi, and Boimler and Rutherford are all the same character at their respective cores.
He does have a personality. Badgie is an overly chipper, go-get-em homicidal lunatic with daddy issues.
The show's narrative sympathy towards Star Trek fans is established by the empathetic way it depicts characters like Rutherford and Tandi. They are excited and happy to be aboard a Starfleet vessel, and that excitement is always depicted in a positive, sympathetic fashion. The narrative is saying, "Yep. We get it. We would be just as happy and excited."
The show's willingness to essentially say, "But we do get overly fixated in silly things sometimes, don't we?" comes from things like, Boimler and the others getting fixated on exactly what kind of engine noise the ships make, or the overly-detailed recollections of the lives of Starfleet officers that happen to have been the main characters of Star Trek TV shows.
Because we already have Mariner.
I don't think you're really paying attention if you think that. Mariner is competent but self-destructive; Boimler is booksmart but needs experience; Rutherford has an unhealthy need to control everything around her; Tendi has an unhealthy desire for everyone to like her. They've all got entirely different personalities and problems to work through.
There is if you want your narrative to make sense.
But, hey, that's just me. Clearly a lot of people in this forum have different standards.
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I'll go out on a limb and say an anthropomorphic cat with a bumpy nose.
God, I always hated that line.
Turnabout Intruder also had a reference to Tholian Web, The Empath and the death penalty for going to Talos.
In the Renegades fan films (set around the same time as Lower Decks), Checkov and Uhura are current admirals in Starfleet. In a DS9 novel, Bashir meets a Starfleet Intelligence operative who's clearly meant to be Sulu (he tells Bashir to call him George). In addition to all of the history mentioned from the Return of Kirk novels, there's also the fact they have Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty flying around in the 24th century. Arex and M'Ress are in the 24th century according to the New Frontier books. Picard clearly knew Kirk in Unification ("Them I am in good company sir") and Generations. Captain Martinez was a Kirk fanboy in Shield of Tomorrow. Nog knew a guy in DS9 who liked to get pictures of himself behind famous captains desks. Add in the other examples mentioned and I find it quite believable that a Starfleet brat and 3 Starfleet nerds know everything they've mentioned.
I'd say those were special cases. Riker was already well aware of Ro by reputation and wanted to establish he wouldn't take the shit she was known for, and the lower decks guy (who he really didn't come down hard on, was just a bit unfair with) reminded him of himself. I doubt Rikers command style is anything remotely like Jellichos.
I maintain that I think a lot of Jellico's actions are straight from various management handbooks. He makes a lot of uncomfortable and angering decisions not because they make things more efficient but just to get everyone in the mood to obey him and not second-guess him. It doesn't make him popular but he wants everyone at fighting ready and jumping to it even though everything will return to Picard's control at the end.
But either way, I've always felt Riker would less warm and fuzzy with his crew than Picard.
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