Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x06 - "Terminal Provocations"
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I admit the funniest part of the episode is the Frankenstein parallel and Rutherford mercy-killing his "son."
I was cracking up.
I was cracking up.
Apology for responding late to the question about the reference in "By Any Other Name". I live in the Bay Area, so, naturally, I spent all day yesterday coughing, hurting my back in the process, in reaction to the awful air quality caused by the fires. I swear that each year is more worse than the year before.
KIRK: On Eminiar Seven, you were able to trick the guard by a Vulcan mind probe.
SPOCK: Yes, I recall, Captain. I led him to believe we had escaped.
KIRK: Do you think you can do it again?
SPOCK: I shall attempt it.
Then, there is this from "The Turnabout Intruder".
JANICE: Spock, when I was caught in the interspace of the Tholian Sector, you risked your life and the Enterprise to get me back. Help me get back now. When the Vians of Minara demanded that we let Bones die, we didn't permit it.
SPOCK: That is true. The captain did not. However, those events have been recorded. They could have become known to you.
KIRK: On Eminiar Seven, you were able to trick the guard by a Vulcan mind probe.
SPOCK: Yes, I recall, Captain. I led him to believe we had escaped.
KIRK: Do you think you can do it again?
SPOCK: I shall attempt it.
Then, there is this from "The Turnabout Intruder".
JANICE: Spock, when I was caught in the interspace of the Tholian Sector, you risked your life and the Enterprise to get me back. Help me get back now. When the Vians of Minara demanded that we let Bones die, we didn't permit it.
SPOCK: That is true. The captain did not. However, those events have been recorded. They could have become known to you.
Which is even more proof that the crew of the Cerritos could easily have seen Federation News reports of Picard's missions and learned about things like Lore and which outfits Troi wore. There's nothing classified about what appears to be a significant portion of starship mission logs, especially given how John Harriman read about Kirk's missions in grade school.
Me too. Though last week I didn't catch Jacobs.
Upon hearing that, my immediate thought was I hope they bring Barbara back when the show the cetacean nav center so someone can namedrop Dr. Taylor and they can start an argument over the pronunciation of Gillian.
I enjoyed wide swaths of this episode, but probably least liked of all 6 so far. I gave it a 7.
I think it was a little mean spirited in terms of Badgey's constant attempts to kill Rutherford and Tendi. I found the situation funny, just the dialog was a little harsh for the rest of the tone of the show so far.
Also, while I do enjoy the pairing of Rutherford and Tendi, I would like to see them change up the pairings or work as a larger group - just for a change of pace/dynamics.
I also wasn't a big fan of how they handled Fletcher's screwup. In the service of covering their own minor failures, and in standing up for their fellow Lower Deckers, Boimler and Mariner cast Fletcher's majorly bad actions as attempts to solve the problem. I get that they want to stand up for their fellow crewman who didn't intend on doing any harm. But he did, and even though it accidentally worked out, it did endanger the ship. I totally agree with Mariner's dislike for rules when they get in the way of doing what is right, so why would Mariner not correctly report Fletcher when he further continuance could (and does) risk lives? I don't think "Lower Deck Solidarity" stretches far enough to cover risk to lives. Also, didn't Fletcher just get demoted back down to ensign again and fired and returned to Earth, instead of being kicked out totally? Maybe for his "first" offense, he gets off lightly?
One other minor issue I had was that I felt that the Mariner/Boimler story this week was unfocused. It is probably just my personal preference, but I dislike it when a piece of entertainment sets up a story but then the characters keep getting sidetracked by other things and never complete their original task. This week's story (and maybe Ruttherford/Tendi's too, now that I think about it.) never really attempt to finish their original goals. I think Tendi does end up learning to space walk (so Yay! success), but the characters and story itself don't address or even consider that. They just leave it hanging. Boimler and Mariner don't finish their re-calibration (or whatever), they don't even get around to repairing or bypassing the dissembled system - again it's just left hanging. Fighting off the semi-sentient data core and at the same time restoring the disassembled system would have been more satisfying for me. But I acknowledge that that is my own personal preference.
Still loving this show!
I think it was a little mean spirited in terms of Badgey's constant attempts to kill Rutherford and Tendi. I found the situation funny, just the dialog was a little harsh for the rest of the tone of the show so far.
Also, while I do enjoy the pairing of Rutherford and Tendi, I would like to see them change up the pairings or work as a larger group - just for a change of pace/dynamics.
I also wasn't a big fan of how they handled Fletcher's screwup. In the service of covering their own minor failures, and in standing up for their fellow Lower Deckers, Boimler and Mariner cast Fletcher's majorly bad actions as attempts to solve the problem. I get that they want to stand up for their fellow crewman who didn't intend on doing any harm. But he did, and even though it accidentally worked out, it did endanger the ship. I totally agree with Mariner's dislike for rules when they get in the way of doing what is right, so why would Mariner not correctly report Fletcher when he further continuance could (and does) risk lives? I don't think "Lower Deck Solidarity" stretches far enough to cover risk to lives. Also, didn't Fletcher just get demoted back down to ensign again and fired and returned to Earth, instead of being kicked out totally? Maybe for his "first" offense, he gets off lightly?
One other minor issue I had was that I felt that the Mariner/Boimler story this week was unfocused. It is probably just my personal preference, but I dislike it when a piece of entertainment sets up a story but then the characters keep getting sidetracked by other things and never complete their original task. This week's story (and maybe Ruttherford/Tendi's too, now that I think about it.) never really attempt to finish their original goals. I think Tendi does end up learning to space walk (so Yay! success), but the characters and story itself don't address or even consider that. They just leave it hanging. Boimler and Mariner don't finish their re-calibration (or whatever), they don't even get around to repairing or bypassing the dissembled system - again it's just left hanging. Fighting off the semi-sentient data core and at the same time restoring the disassembled system would have been more satisfying for me. But I acknowledge that that is my own personal preference.
Still loving this show!
The show could actually still be a comedy without the reference jokes. Hard to believe, since it takes up SO much real estate on the show and the creators obviously think it's hilarious. But it's true!
Of course it could. The fact that it chose this path doesn't make it less of a comedy.
Well, it makes it much less funny!
I love people thinking that just because some of us have criticisms of the show, that we don’t like “fun”. It’s just not a fair comparison.
Thus far all I have seen is unfair comparisons, and insistence that it is not funny yet a desire to keep engaging with the show. We're all a walking, talking, stack of unfairness and irrational behaviors I guess. 
On the other side of the coin, you have people acting like folks that like the show are sheep or idiots. It cuts both ways.
For what it's worth, and this is just me speaking for myself of course, but I tend to take the opinions of those who come up with what they mistakenly believe are clever snarky nicknames for the shows such as "STD", "Pizza Trek" or *ahem* "Pickle Trek" less seriously than others. Sometimes to the point of outright dismissal. Sometimes it's all in the presentation and I'm not really a fan of snark. There's a fine line yet a huge difference between sarcasm and snark. Sarcasm can be subtle and clever whereas snark tends to be blunt, dismissive and self-important.
Not as good as last week's episode, but it was an amusing (and a stabbing 
) parody of the starship-computer-going-awry TNG-era episodes (I think which, not coincidentally, were almost all holodeck episodes). Badgey of course steals this week's show. I continue to love all of the characters. T'ana was quite funny (I loved the Starbase 80 joke), and the dialog both on the bridge and over the viewscreen was hilarious. I'm curious as to whether there really was anything top secret on the unnamed cargo ship NCC-502 worth protecting; I continue to love the TOS and TAS callbacks.
) parody of the starship-computer-going-awry TNG-era episodes (I think which, not coincidentally, were almost all holodeck episodes). Badgey of course steals this week's show. I continue to love all of the characters. T'ana was quite funny (I loved the Starbase 80 joke), and the dialog both on the bridge and over the viewscreen was hilarious. I'm curious as to whether there really was anything top secret on the unnamed cargo ship NCC-502 worth protecting; I continue to love the TOS and TAS callbacks.
That is what it feels like. Like being dismissed for finding the show funny...
As I said, it's all in the presentation.That is what it feels like. Like being dismissed for finding the show funny...
Janeway's reference was one moment, one reference, in one episode (yes, there were other references scattered across the seasons).
"Lower Decks" gives us multiple historical references in rapid fire each episode.
On occasion. But this is multiple references each week for the past 6 weeks. Unless a person is a historian, they most likely do not reference history that often.
Too numerous. It's really over the top. And I say this as someone who likes the show. Yes, the jokes are meta and meant for the fans. As someone stated earlier, they lean on the 4th wall. Maybe it's more like putting a window in the 4th wall. It's a lot.
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