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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x06 - "Terminal Provocations"

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 9 8.7%
  • 9

    Votes: 23 22.1%
  • 8

    Votes: 24 23.1%
  • 7

    Votes: 22 21.2%
  • 6

    Votes: 15 14.4%
  • 5

    Votes: 7 6.7%
  • 4

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3

    Votes: 3 2.9%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • 1 - A total wreck!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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I do like that they inferred Captain Riker is a real dick. A newly transferred ensign makes one little mistake and is immediately 'fired'. Guess we know deep down how Will Riker really feels about 'Reginald Barkley' like crewmen when Picard ain't calling the shots. :rommie:

Honestly, I'm not sure there's a second strike rule for dumping garbage into your anti-matter dimension-warping device.
 
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All I have seen now is highlight videos cause of no international release but it seems the exact show all the "Muh Orville" whiners whiners, right down tot he TNG/DS9 references?
 
A 6 for me.

had some funny bit, but IDK I'm so over the malfunctioning holodeck with killer AI trope that the whole 'Badgey' B story fell 100% flat.

I do like that they inferred Captain Riker is a real dick. A newly transferred ensign makes one little mistake and is immediately 'fired'. Guess we know deep down how Will Riker really feels about 'Reginald Barkley' like crewmen when Picard ain't calling the shots. :rommie:

That's probably why Riker ended up transferring through multiple commands (Thad, born around 2381, was "raised on starships") and ultimately went on inactive reserve.
 
Watched the episode yesterday, and I enjoyed it, it's sold 8 for me.
Badgey was definitely the best part.
The stuff with Fletcher was pretty good too, I love that his isolinear core was what ended up destroying the scavengers.
Shax's desperation to shoot something was hilarious.
 
I feel there has been a slight improvement over these last two episodes, the focus is a bit better, the characters less annoying. I'm still firmly in that 6 rating range, but I almost feel...as if there is a breakthrough coming?

RAMA
 
It's my headcanon that Freeman moved from Lieutenant to Captain during the Dominion War and is having trouble adapting to peacetime so she's overcompensating.

All the senior officers are Dominion War vets and the junior officers joined during or after the war and the show is primarily about the conflict between two generations of soldiers with two types of experiences.
 
He does have a personality. Badgie is an overly chipper, go-get-em homicidal lunatic with daddy issues.
Right, but that was before he changed. After that he was just evil. I would have preferred he keep the chipper personality while trying to kill Rutherford and Tendi.
The show's willingness to essentially say, "But we do get overly fixated in silly things sometimes, don't we?" comes from things like, Boimler and the others getting fixated on exactly what kind of engine noise the ships make
Okay, that’s a fair interpretation of that scene, though I didn’t see it the same way. I’d like to see more direct and more pointed send ups of the fans and the entire Trek My this, including Roddenberry.
Because we already have Mariner.
Those were just suggestions. There are certainly more personalities to choose from other than Mariner’s. Besides, LD already has enough characters who are the same. :)
I don't think you're really paying attention if you think that. Mariner is competent but self-destructive; Boimler is booksmart but needs experience; Rutherford has an unhealthy need to control everything around her; Tendi has an unhealthy desire for everyone to like her. They've all got entirely different personalities and problems to work through.
I think you may be fixated on the fact that they are separate characters on screen and do have some superficial differences, however, all 4 are boisterous, frenetic, overly exuberant, loud, easily excited, etc. Reminds me of the original Charmed sisters who we were told were all different, but who were in reality, the same character at their cores.
 
I think you may be fixated on the fact that they are separate characters on screen and do have some superficial differences, however, all 4 are boisterous, frenetic, overly exuberant, loud, easily excited, etc. Reminds me of the original Charmed sisters who we were told were all different, but who were in reality, the same character at their cores.

I dunno, I think the major similarity they have at the core is their excitement at being in Star Trek's Starfleet. Which is not an all-consuming one.
 
Oh, it was "done" for me before that, but that's one of the stronger aspects of, "Really?" these characters, mostly Mariner, are too Meta. I think really it was "done" for me with Mariner's listing of "member berries" at the end of the first episode where she's name dropping a bunch of people/things she can teach Brad about as her protegee.

And the show runners have taken a stance that they're not making fun of Trek here but... At times it kind of feels like they are. Like Mariner's yawning fit at the start of the episode a couple of weeks ago, almost more feels like making fun of expository scenes setting up the premise of an episode. I mean, that's kind of making fun of things isn't it?

And the bad part is the expository information was interesting,the set-up of the "generation" ship was interesting, then we get Mariner yawning at it.

I also know it's a comedy, but it's too heavy sometimes, seems too mocking, and it's hard to make this "fit" in with everything else from TNG-era Trek. It does fit better that this is a "show within a show" and not actual events. But that doesn't quite work either because the internal references are just too obscure a show inside the universe would have in it.
I believe that we've known from the outset that this show was very much going to go heavily in the "mem-berry" direction.
I mean the name of the show is a HUGE "mem-berry' in itself...
Taken from an actual TNG episode title.

Not sure how anybody could be surprised or disappointed about that.
:shrug:
 
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I rewatched this episode, and I like it better this second time. Gotten used to the aggressive nature of Badgey and it seems more playful now than upon first watch. Also, didn't mind Fletcher's being a bad officer as much given that he does say he is fired at the end (thus being returned to earth and no longer in Starfleet) and Boimler and Mariner clearly realizing how bad of an officer he is. His whole deal is how he has been able to wiggle his way out of getting into trouble. But now that it really matters (serving on a starship) is when his "skill" can no longer save him. Mariner does risk additional lives by covering for Fletcher, but she does say it is hope that he learns and finds his place on another ship and becomes a better person. At least her motives were solidly Starfleet, if not what I would want someone in her place to do.

If i could re-vote in this poll, I would up my score to an 8.
 
Right, but that was before he changed. After that he was just evil. I would have preferred he keep the chipper personality while trying to kill Rutherford and Tendi.

The daddy issues weren't revealed until after he became homicidal.

Sci said:
I don't think you're really paying attention if you think that. Mariner is competent but self-destructive; Boimler is booksmart but needs experience; Rutherford has an unhealthy need to control everything around her; Tendi has an unhealthy desire for everyone to like her. They've all got entirely different personalities and problems to work through.

I think you may be fixated on the fact that they are separate characters on screen and do have some superficial differences,

They each have fundamentally different motivations. Mariner's and Boimler's frequently cause conflict. Tendi's and Rutherford's have not caused an interpersonal conflict yet, but there's no way the guy who wants to control everything around him and the girl who wants everyone to like her aren't going to end up butting heads at some point.

however, all 4 are boisterous,

Mariner is the only one who is boisterous.

frenetic, overly exuberant, loud, easily excited,

Characters all having exaggerated emotions (which is what your words above boil down to) is a very common creative conceit on adult animated situation comedies. Arguably it is one of the genre's foundational tropes. These are also very superficial traits that don't speak to their fundamental motivations.
 
Who cares if this show makes sense? It’s not like this is supposed to be canon or anything. It’s supposed to be fun! It’s supposed to make us Trekkies laugh at ourselves! I love all the in jokes and meta references! If you expect too much of this show then maybe you need to lighten up!
 
As mentioned previously, the show runner has said LDS is canon. If it’s on-screen and paid for by CBS, it’s canon. Period.

Many Trekkies historically have big problems laughing at themselves. Always have.

Finally, this show in particular (and the myriad conversations in this and other threads) has quite effectively demonstrated that “having fun” doesn’t appear to be in the skill set of many within that subculture.

When you take all these things into consideration, it explains why many people seem to have a hard time with it. It is seen as anomalously contradictory on several levels. as compared to what came before.

I, however, happen to love this show and have none of these issues with it, so... :) :shrug:
 
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Who cares if this show makes sense? It’s not like this is supposed to be canon or anything. It’s supposed to be fun! It’s supposed to make us Trekkies laugh at ourselves! I love all the in jokes and meta references! If you expect too much of this show then maybe you need to lighten up!

Again, people's mileage will vary.

For me personally, I want some base level of consistency and logic to the plots, the premise, the characters and the overall Trek universe. If they suddenly presented Mariner as a by-the-book nerd who seeks to be an admiral one day and never gets in trouble, that would be a gaping hole that I would want the story to explain. (It's really the Mirror Universe Mariner or a evil transporter duplicate or something.) Smaller stuff, like how we see Mariner's unscarred body in Episode 1 but a few episodes later she looks like a "f---ing scratching post" accoring to T'ana, doesn't really bother me.
 
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