Star Trek 2009-11 years later

[fireproof78]

Yes: in TOS there was no indication this could have ever been a thing. It’s obvious they did it to give Zoe Saldana something more to do, but it really came out of the blue and, for me, didn’t work with where Spock was supposed to be in his life.

Fair enough, though there is a flirtatious look Spock gives Uhura while playing his Vulcan harp. I'm guessing (don't have any evidence) that this was the reason given for the relationship.

But, I hadn't thought of the T'Pring aspect. Interesting point. I had taken the relationship with Uhura to be the logical idea of understanding humanity and it became more. But, again, my assumptions.

It's a fair complaint if it came out of the blue for you.

 

[Smellmet]

Please. Would love to hear if people's views have changed over the years, especially with all the new Trek, or if it has stayed them same.

For me, this movie will always have a special place because of the strong themes of fatherhood and 09 was the year I became a dad.

My feelings have remained pretty constant, in that I think it's easily one of the best trek films, and has aged pretty well. I also appreciate the father figure aspect too.

It's not without it's faults but I believe said faults were created intentionally or not in the name of delivering a kick ass entertaining blockbuster, it's sequel suffers from similar issues.

 

[jackoverfull]

Fair enough, though there is a flirtatious look Spock gives Uhura while playing his Vulcan harp. I'm guessing (don't have any evidence) that this was the reason given for the relationship.

Yes, the scene in Charlie X was the reason given for the idea. Can’t say that I’ve ever seen that as “flirtatious” personally, unless Uhura was flirting with Charlie as well. I’ve always taken as funny banter towards her logical colleague, not unlike McCoy and even Kirk did from time to time.
If they really wanted to pair up Uhura they could have gone with Scotty, as per Star Trek V (please no! But still, that was clear at least).

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, the scene in Charlie X was the reason given for the idea. Can’t say that I’ve ever seen that as “flirtatious” personally, unless Uhura was flirting with Charlie as well. I’ve always taken as funny banter towards her logical colleague, not unlike McCoy and even Kirk did from time to time.
If they really wanted to pair up Uhura they could have gone with Scotty, as per Star Trek V (please no! But still, that was clear at least).

Eh, no to Scotty. Scotty, for me, is the weakest of the Kelvin Trek characters.

I think it was nebulous in "Charlie X" 1) because it was relatively new so obviously their relationships were still being established and 2) because of Charlie's overreaction to seemingly innocuous behavior. Spock responds one way and Charlie another. Bit of contrast there.

That all said, I do think there was a brief moment of hinting at a relationship there because in "The Naked Time" Uhura is asking Spock to call her beautiful. Again, weird virus thing but still...it hints at deeper feelings beneath.

 

[BillJ]

Yes: in TOS there was no indication this could have ever been a thing.

You should rewatch “The Man Trap”, definitely some flirting going on.

 

[BillJ]

So we can add disingenuous creep to your list of wonderful character traits. Have fun.

 

[F. King Daniel]

My favourite Star Trek movie. There's so much to love.

 

[M'Sharak]

I thought trolling other members was against board rules?

It is.

Also against the rules are in-thread accusations of trolling against other posters.

Nice that you've set this therapy thread up for yourselves.

And against the rules as well is whatever kind of swipe at other posters you care to call this.

You and that other guy. The opening post is fine, but the banter that immediately followed exposes this thread's true intentions. Base, inane mockery of other people's opinions -- when they haven't even posted yet to give their opinions or defend their views -- is bad form and something only intellectually insecure people do.

Better luck next time.

[accusations of trolling continue in this post]

It's right there in black and white:

[quoted posts]

So nice try, but...

Abramsverse fans have revealed their true stripes again.

[accusations of trolling continue, plus another swipe at other posters]

Right. But that's not what those comments are alluding to and you know it.

So we can add disingenuous creep to your list of wonderful character traits. Have fun.

[accusations of trolling continue]

By this point, you could have several trolling and baiting warnings stacked up, but I'll roll it all into one for the instance of direct name-calling quoted and set in bold above.

Warning for flaming; any and all comments concerning this matter are to be taken to PM.

For the mods and the wider record:

Trolling comments that begin with the first reply above (Post #2) are are a crystal-clear allusion to an exchange in the following thread that begins around here:

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-undiscovered-country.305323/page-3#post-13510461

I'm being publicly maligned for my opinions on the Star Trek 2009 film, given in a separate location (as above -- runs for several pages), after I was encouraged to acknowledge this new thread and reassured it was for the purposes of genuine conversation. Unfortunately, this is hardly something new with adherents of the Abramsverse.

The other thread was becoming derailed and this one was set up to supposedly remedy that situation. But as you can see, it's just a troll tactic to shame me and mock ST 09 critics in advance. I am not against people having fun, but the well has been poisoned here; and now the new thread starter is denying his role in that process.

What I'm seeing here is an attempt to restart in this forum a discussion which should properly have been started here in the first place, rather than as a side topic in another forum. I'm not convinced that there was any intent to troll -- your multiple accusations of which notwithstanding -- but if you wish to pursue that matter further, then do so via PM, as is the prescribed procedure at TrekBBS.

 

[M'Sharak]

NOTICE TO ALL: I will allow this thread to continue for the moment, but under certain conditions:

-- Stick to the topic of the 2009 film, as viewed with 11 years' perspective.

-- Avoid any reference to other posters or to fan groups generally, even in fun, which may be perceived as mocking or disrespectful. Those too often do not go well.

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[BillJ]

I think the film generally holds up well, outside of Kirk jumping from Academy Lieutenant to Captain of the newest Federation flagship. For me, the characters are spot on with a 21st century bend. Definitely Star Trek.

I saw it four times at the theater, numerous times on Blu-ray in the intervening years.

 

[BillJ]

My inner Trekkie rebelled at the idea of the Enterprise being built on the ground. At that same time, building something like it on the ground shouldn’t really be a problem for a society that has mastered matter, energy and gravity.

So I continue to be torn on the idea.

 

[fireproof78]

My inner Trekkie rebelled at the idea of the Enterprise being built on the ground. At that same time, building something like it on the ground shouldn’t really be a problem for a society that has mastered matter, energy and gravity.

So I continue to be torn on the idea.

I thought visually it looked cool, but it still seems rather impractical to me. I too continue to be torn.

 

[jackoverfull]

You should rewatch “The Man Trap”, definitely some flirting going on.

I will rewatch it one of these days, but in many years of watching TOS I’ve never had the impression there was anything between the two of them.

 

[fireproof78]

I will rewatch it one of these days, but in many years of watching TOS I’ve never had the impression there was anything between the two of them.

That's fair and I think its very much blink and you'll miss it, mostly because of how the Spock character was growing.

 

[BillJ]

I will rewatch it one of these days, but in many years of watching TOS I’ve never had the impression there was anything between the two of them.

Anything actually between them? I agree with you. A flirtation that could’ve become more under different circumstances? I think there was enough there for Abrams and company to run with and it not feel like it was betraying TOS.

Of course, everyone’s mileage will vary.

 

[fireproof78]

I think there was enough there for Abrams and company to run with and it not feel like it was betraying TOS.

I think that was more the idea, and with people like Nimoy and Nichols coming around set I don't see as being too big of a deal.

And, as you say, mileage will vary.

 

[BillJ]

At that point, Spock is supposed to be engaged with T’Pring and it isn’t even public knowledge that he’s half human (Kirk thinks he has “a human ancestor”), why would he have a human girlfriend?

Spock had a human girlfriend in 2259/60 in TOS. Leila Kalomi from “This Side of Paradise”.

 

[Smellmet]

I think the film generally holds up well, outside of Kirk jumping from Academy Lieutenant to Captain of the newest Federation flagship. For me, the characters are spot on with a 21st century bend. Definitely Star Trek.

I saw it four times at the theater, numerous times on Blu-ray in the intervening years.

I guess they were desperate to end the film with kirk in the centre seat and the 'space... the final frontier' monologue. I can see why they would want that, especially as there was no guarantee of success after nemesis bombed 7 years earlier. It could have been done a little better still though.

 

[fireproof78]

I guess they were desperate to end the film with kirk in the centre seat and the 'space... the final frontier' monologue. I can see why they would want that, especially as there was no guarantee of success after nemesis bombed 7 years earlier. It could have been done a little better still though.

Yes, indeed. I think I said in my OP that the one difficulty I have with the film is the pacing. The ending is probably the hardest part because it immediately shows Kirk in the center chair, and the critique that he got there too fast is one I get.

I think that SF Debris had the best solution in terms of an ending, in which you have a montage of different award ceremonies, framed similar to Kirk receiving his commendation at the Academy, and showing Kirk becoming that success. Then you have him taking over the Enterprise from Pike and end as the film does.

I'm sure there are other suggestions, including Kirk as a junior officer on the Enterprise under Pike, but learning. Could end with Pike going "4 more years" and Kirk say, "I'll do it in two."

However, the flip side for me is that I love how ID picks this thread up and goes "You were not ready for it." It highlights what I think Kirk shows at the end-he still has a lot of growing to do.

 

[jackoverfull]

Spock had a human girlfriend in 2259/60 in TOS. Leila Kalomi from “This Side of Paradise”.

She wished.
The whole point in “this side of paradise” was that Spock, even if he liked her, would not get with her.

I guess they were desperate to end the film with kirk in the centre seat and the 'space... the final frontier' monologue. I can see why they would want that, especially as there was no guarantee of success after nemesis bombed 7 years earlier. It could have been done a little better still though.

they could have gone “a few years later” and avoided that cadet to captain promotion easily.

However, the flip side for me is that I love how ID picks this thread up and goes "You were not ready for it." It highlights what I think Kirk shows at the end-he still has a lot of growing to do.

Yes, one of the few redeeming ideas of that movie. Too bad they cut Pike’s lines when he said something like “one day you’ll make an error and kill everyone”, as it really resonated with later in the movie, when Marcus is about to destroy the enterprise.