Star Trek 2009-11 years later

[fireproof78]

A recent discussion in the other movie forum gave rise to my thinking about this film a lot more. For starters, I have always liked this film, think it is a good Trek film and a great overall movie.

It's not without its issues, though. So this thread is a place to discuss feelings (old and new) regarding the efforts to start a new chapter in Trek's history.

I think the biggest issue with ST 09 is the pacing. Abrams is a director who likes a certain pace to things and it doesn't allow a lot of moments of characters to breathe between them. I think the biggest one is Kirk encountering Spock Prime in the cave and Kirk asks about knowing his dad. There is a great moment of Kirk looking pained as Spock shares that Kirk did know his dad and the influence it had in his Prime counterpart's decision making. Unfortunately, the pacing has it keep going.

Beyond that, I think Kirk's promotion to captain is a (well worn) issue.

Overall, small things aside, this is my favorite Trek film after TUC and the one I rewatch the most.

Other thoughts? Opinions changed after 11 years?

 

[BillJ]

GENOCIDE!!!

 

[fireproof78]

GENOCIDE!!!

Yeah, that's definitely a big one. I mean, I wasn't expecting Vulcan to be taken out like that.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah, that's definitely a big one. I mean, I wasn't expecting Vulcan to be taken out like that.

Nor for Kirk to be committing it either!

 

[fireproof78]

Nor for Kirk to be committing it either!

Kirk's a jerk...

 

[Cryogenic]

I thought trolling other members was against board rules?

Nice that you've set this therapy thread up for yourselves.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought trolling other members was against board rules?

Nice that you've set this therapy thread up for yourselves.

Who is trolling?

This is a thread for discussing personal thoughts regarding this film, rather than taking away from other threads. By all means, vent about ST 09. Disagreement about this opinions is not trolling.

 

[Cryogenic]

Who is trolling?

You and that other guy. The opening post is fine, but the banter that immediately followed exposes this thread's true intentions. Base, inane mockery of other people's opinions -- when they haven't even posted yet to give their opinions or defend their views -- is bad form and something only intellectually insecure people do.

Better luck next time.

 

[fireproof78]

You and that other guy. The opening post is fine, but the banter that immediately followed exposes this thread's true intentions. Base, inane mockery of other people's opinions -- when they haven't even posted yet to give their opinions or defend their views -- is bad form and something only intellectually insecure people do.

Better luck next time.

We can't discuss what isn't posted.

I did no mocking of other points of view.

 

[Cryogenic]

We can't discuss what isn't posted.

I did no mocking of other points of view.

It's right there in black and white:

GENOCIDE!!!

Yeah, that's definitely a big one. I mean, I wasn't expecting Vulcan to be taken out like that.

Nor for Kirk to be committing it either!

Kirk's a jerk...

So nice try, but...

Abramsverse fans have revealed their true stripes again.

 

[fireproof78]

So nice try, but...

Abramsverse fans have revealed their true stripes again.

Kirk is a jerk.

I wasn't expecting Vulcan to be taken out.

Can't speak for Bill.

No mockery from me.

Also, a fan of TOS. So, I prefer the term Star Trek fan.

 

[Cryogenic]

Kirk is a jerk.

I wasn't expecting Vulcan to be taken out.

Can't speak for Bill.

No mockery from me.

Also, a fan of TOS. So, I prefer the term Star Trek fan.

Right. But that's not what those comments are alluding to and you know it.

So we can add disingenuous creep to your list of wonderful character traits. Have fun.

 

[fireproof78]

Right. But that's not what those comments are alluding to and you know it.

So we can add disingenuous creep to your list of wonderful character traits. Have fun.

No they weren't.

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

While there's probably no perfect movie, Star Trek '09 to me was pretty close. And I guess pacing would also be my only real complaint, but even with that I can't complain too much because it's a movie and they only have so much time to tell their story.

I do know that the use of the alternate timeline was so brilliant to me, and such an obvious and such a Star Trek thing to do.

Pretty much everything about it though, the Beastie Boys, Bones, "Why are you talking to me, man?," Kobayashi Maru... it's all so good. Red Matter, yeah, there's that, so not a perfect movie.

The trailer though, even 11 years on is still one of the best in the last 20 years. Hell, it's an all-time great trailer.

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It just dawned on me just now, but the early scene with the young Kirk and the Corvette and the Beastie Boys... I guess the Apollo astronauts had a thing for Corvettes.

I know the first episode of For All Mankind on Apple TV+ had a scene in where Deke Slayton is meeting with all of the Apollo astronauts after the Soviets land on the moon first, and he was saying how like the Mercury astronauts were pissed off that the Russians got to space first, that they, the Apollo astronauts, also should be pissed off that the Russians got to the moon first, and to take the weekend to burn it off and Monday morning get back to work.

All of the astronauts then file out of the meeting (the real ones: Armstrong, Aldrin, Conrad, and the fictional ones for the show), and it was like "last one to the bar pays" and they go running out of the Manned Spacecraft Center (now the Johnson Space Center) into their Corvettes parked out front and race to the bar.

At about the 1:09 mark in this first look trailer you can see part of that scene:

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Excellent series, I think.

Anyway, yeah, it's just dawned on me that there is an historical connection between astronauts and Corvettes, and so that was a neat little nod with the young Kirk and the Corvette in Star Trek '09 (whether it was intentional or not).

Oh, and I guess there is a pretty much perfect movie... 2001: A Space Odyssey.

One other thing on '09, if only Paramount and CBS would pony up about $30 million dollars an episode and do a TV series that looked like Star Trek '09.

Maybe next lifetime.

 

[Cryogenic]

No they weren't.

For the mods and the wider record:

Trolling comments that begin with the first reply above (Post #2) are are a crystal-clear allusion to an exchange in the following thread that begins around here:

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-undiscovered-country.305323/page-3#post-13510461

I'm being publicly maligned for my opinions on the Star Trek 2009 film, given in a separate location (as above -- runs for several pages), after I was encouraged to acknowledge this new thread and reassured it was for the purposes of genuine conversation. Unfortunately, this is hardly something new with adherents of the Abramsverse.

The other thread was becoming derailed and this one was set up to supposedly remedy that situation. But as you can see, it's just a troll tactic to shame me and mock ST 09 critics in advance. I am not against people having fun, but the well has been poisoned here; and now the new thread starter is denying his role in that process.

 

[jackoverfull]

I’ve seen it again a few weeks ago, first time after around ten years. I must say I disliked it a bit less than the first time around, but still...

The pros:
-The music is fantastic
-The TOS-Style uniforms are spot-on
-I like how Nero is depicted, even if he’s a total nutjob
-The actors are all quite good
-Nimoy!

The cons:
-the plot makes no sense whatsoever
-the pacing makes me want to watch the movie at half speed
-Kirk is indeed a jerk
-Spock/Uhura...really?!
-did I say that everything is built on contrivance, coincidences and no science at all?
-Spock is there, knows several ways to go back in time, has already traveled back in time to save history twice and...does absolutely nothing, leaving Vulcan destroyed thanks from interferences from he future?!

On a side note, the following movie is a bit less hectic but I like it even less (but remember liking Beyond, will watch that again soon).

 

[fireproof78]

Spock/Uhura...really?!

This is one that I always struggled to understand. Is there a reason why it was so off putting?

 

[Smellmet]

You and that other guy. The opening post is fine, but the banter that immediately followed exposes this thread's true intentions. Base, inane mockery of other people's opinions -- when they haven't even posted yet to give their opinions or defend their views -- is bad form and something only intellectually insecure people do.

Better luck next time.

They're not trolling. They've simply done what you should have and moved the discussion about ST09 to the appropriate forum. Billj's genocide remark was a lighthearted joke. Your 'intellectually insecure' comment is worse if we're analysing.

Maybe you should lighten up and stop trying to make out everyone is out to get you. It just comes across as attention seeking.

So, shall we discuss Star Trek 2009?

 

[fireproof78]

So, shall we discuss Star Trek 2009?

Please. Would love to hear if people's views have changed over the years, especially with all the new Trek, or if it has stayed them same.

For me, this movie will always have a special place because of the strong themes of fatherhood and 09 was the year I became a dad.

 

[jackoverfull]

This is one that I always struggled to understand. Is there a reason why it was so off putting?

Yes: in TOS there was no indication this could have ever been a thing. It’s obvious they did it to give Zoe Saldana something more to do, but it really came out of the blue and, for me, didn’t work with where Spock was supposed to be in his life.

They could have used Chapel in a similar way, somehow, but I don’t think that would have worked either.

At that point, Spock is supposed to be engaged with T’Pring and it isn’t even public knowledge that he’s half human (Kirk thinks he has “a human ancestor”), why would he have a human girlfriend?