Star Trek 2009-11 years later

[Charles Phipps]

To have him acting like a college kid with his girlfriend: meh.

Spock had multiple love interests in the show. Also, as much as people think of him as a human computer, Nimoy's performance was always that he did feel emotions but simply tried to divorce them from his decision making process. He was a scientist and pragmatist not a machine.

 

[valden]

8/10. Its a great movie.

I do not object to Spock and Uhura as boyfriend/girlfriend in the movie.

We cannot not compare 1966 to 2009 when it comes to defining African American characters on screen.

 

[jackoverfull]

Spock had multiple love interests in the show. Also, as much as people think of him as a human computer, Nimoy's performance was always that he did feel emotions but simply tried to divorce them from his decision making process. He was a scientist and pragmatist not a machine.

Chapel, Leia Kalomi (both of which he never reciprocate, imho), Zarabeth, when he wasn’t fully himself, obviously T’Pring....Saavik if you go with the original intentions (when he wasn’t himself). Anyone else?

Droxine! The only time he looked interested to me (and he was divorced with T’Pring at that point).

 

[fireproof78]

The Romulan Commander for sure.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Count me among those who rather like the Spock/Uhura pairing. Given the hints in TOS, it seems that Spock wasn't willing to act on his attraction in that timeline. But events played out differently in the Kelvinverse. They noticed each other at some point at the Academy, and things got interesting. They both are strong characters in their own right in the Kelvinverse timeline and she's a competent translator and not afraid to get in there and fight alongside the guys. So it's not simply a case of "elevated because relationship."

 

[fireproof78]

Count me among those who rather like the Spock/Uhura pairing. Given the hints in TOS, it seems that Spock wasn't willing to act on his attraction in that timeline. But events played out differently in the Kelvinverse. They noticed each other at some point at the Academy, and things got interesting. They both are strong characters in their own right in the Kelvinverse timeline and she's a competent translator and not afraid to get in there and fight alongside the guys. So it's not simply a case of "elevated because relationship."

My personal supposition was that Uhura had gone to the Academy earlier while Spock was still there, prior to being assigned under Captain Pike. Spock was still feeling a bit of rebellion against Sarek Spock decided to try a human relationship prior to committing to the "Vulcan way." The relationship went differently than he expected.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

My personal supposition was that Uhura had gone to the Academy earlier while Spock was still there, prior to being assigned under Captain Pike. Spock was still feeling a bit of rebellion against Sarek Spock decided to try a human relationship prior to committing to the "Vulcan way." The relationship went differently than he expected.

I can see that. He found a good woman to be with that was intelligent, funny and able to hold her own. His "live long and prosper" to the Science Academy sounded like "live long and bite me."

 

[fireproof78]

His "live long and prosper" to the Science Academy sounded like "live long and bite me."

It really did.

 

[Charles Phipps]

The funny thing is the bullying and choosing Starfleet to spite the racist vulcans is all Classic Trek.

 

[valden]

I can see that. He found a good woman to be with that was intelligent, funny and able to hold her own. His "live long and prosper" to the Science Academy sounded like "live long and bite me."

Now that there will be another Star Trek TOS Prequel with Strange New Worlds. I would not be surprised if the show sets up a fling between Spock and Uhura , they dated, broke up and decided not to discuss it again when TOS began, this could tie very well with all the flirtation in TOS.

 

[M'Sharak]

Now that there will be another Star Trek TOS Prequel with Strange New Worlds. I would not be surprised if the show sets up a fling between Spock and Uhura , they dated, broke up and decided not to discuss it again when TOS began, this could tie very well with all the flirtation in TOS.

It might be just me, but I'm still far from certain that any romantic relationship existed between Uhura and Spock prior to the scenes in Star Trek (2009) involving Spock losing his Vulcan cool on the bridge as a result of, in quick succession: A) destruction of Vulcan and death of his mother and B) Kirk's provocation pushing him the rest of the way over the edge, and the subsequent turbolift consolation by Uhura which suddenly turned into something more.

The earlier shuttleport scene (Uhura confronts Spock about her assignment to a ship other than Enterprise) establishes at minimum a working relationship in which Spock was already thoroughly familiar with Uhura's academic achievements and professional qualifications, but goes no further.

[Not shown on screen, but part of the pre-release online promotional material from the official website were "dossiers" for the main characters, including:



Again, never shown on-screen, so not strictly speaking part of the characters' backstory, but it does--in combination with what we are shown--imply a previous professional association between the two (possibly growing out of a prior mentor / pupil academic alignment.) ]

At any rate, we're shown that they were clearly well-acquainted--perhaps even friends to the extent that Spock's characteristic reserve would make such an arrangement possible--but we really see nothing which suggests that a romantic relationship of any kind existed (or could exist) prior to the turbolift scene.

Whether or not the possibility of anything beyond friendship had ever consciously occurred to Uhura before might be debated, but what we see could also be simply her attempt to comfort someone she considers a friend, who has within a short span of time been dealt a series of heavy blows which have driven him to the point of emotional compromise. Uhura might not fully comprehend what it meant, but she would know enough to understand that the combination of events represented a serious shock to a Vulcan, and as a friend she would offer such support as she was able to muster on the spot.

This, too, would not be at odds with what we were shown in TOS.

 

[Kor]

This movie is a wild roller coaster ride, and I love it. It showcases the swashbuckling, adventurous feel of TOS through a contemporary lens.
I do wish there had been some more slower-paced character moments, and like others I find it somewhat problematic for Kirk to jump to captain in the first movie. But oh well.

Kor

 

[valden]

It might be just me, but I'm still far from certain that any romantic relationship existed between Uhura and Spock prior to the scenes in Star Trek (2009) involving Spock losing his Vulcan cool on the bridge as a result of, in quick succession: A) destruction of Vulcan and death of his mother and B) Kirk's provocation pushing him the rest of the way over the edge, and the subsequent turbolift consolation by Uhura which suddenly turned into something more.

The earlier shuttleport scene (Uhura confronts Spock about her assignment to a ship other than Enterprise) establishes at minimum a working relationship in which Spock was already thoroughly familiar with Uhura's academic achievements and professional qualifications, but goes no further.

[Not shown on screen, but part of the pre-release online promotional material from the official website were "dossiers" for the main characters, including:

View attachment 17629 View attachment 17630

Again, never shown on-screen, so not strictly speaking part of the characters' backstory, but it does--in combination with what we are shown--imply a previous professional association between the two (possibly growing out of a prior mentor / pupil academic alignment.) ]

At any rate, we're shown that they were clearly well-acquainted--perhaps even friends to the extent that Spock's characteristic reserve would make such an arrangement possible--but we really see nothing which suggests that a romantic relationship of any kind existed (or could exist) prior to the turbolift scene.

Whether or not the possibility of anything beyond friendship had ever consciously occurred to Uhura before might be debated, but what we see could also be simply her attempt to comfort someone she considers a friend, who has within a short span of time been dealt a series of heavy blows which have driven him to the point of emotional compromise. Uhura might not fully comprehend what it meant, but she would know enough to understand that the combination of events represented a serious shock to a Vulcan, and as a friend she would offer such support as she was able to muster on the spot.

This, too, would not be at odds with what we were shown in TOS.

It was strongly hinted that there was a relationship. Spock puts her on the Farragut to avoid the appearance of favouritism, meaning some higher rank officers new spock and uhura were connected in a way that was not professional.

The next scene is before Spock beams to Vulcan, Uhura is the only person he stops to explain in great detail about what he was planning to do. the camera paused to their eyes and the way they look at eachother. it was not ''professional'' at all.

I have a text from memory alpha that explains this.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Spock_(alternate_reality)#Nyota_Uhura
[/QUOTE]While on duty aboard the Enterprise, Spock and Uhura maintained a formal professional relationship – Spock usually addressing her by her rank and surname – with the exception of some moments where the nature of their feelings for one another was displayed or hinted by their actions. Shortly after they arrived on the ship, Spock supported and extolled Uhura's abilities before Captain Pike.

One moment of affection between them was just after Spock realized Nero had created a black hole in the planet Vulcan. This incident impacted on Spock's relationship with Uhura, especially since he decided to beam down to the Vulcan surface himself, in an attempt to save his parents and the Vulcan High Council. When a concerned Uhura called him by name and not by rank, he paused, in the midst of a crisis, to explain to her what he was about to do and offered further explanation.

After Vulcan was destroyed by Nero, Spock was at one point pursued by Uhura off the bridge and into a turbolift, where she comforted him, the two lovers kissing and embracing each other.[/QUOTE]

When Uhura kisses him on the lift, it was very obvious it was not the first time they have done so.

 

[Smellmet]

This movie is a wild roller coaster ride, and I love it. It showcases the swashbuckling, adventurous feel of TOS through a contemporary lens.
I do wish there had been some more slower-paced character moments, and like others I find it somewhat problematic for Kirk to jump to captain in the first movie. But oh well.

Kor

It absolutely is, and so is into darkness. Both of them are among the fastest paced blockbusters in recent memory, if not all time. Into darkness in particular was almost exhausting on first viewing in the cinema. I left the cinema pumped, like I'd just ridden a roller-coaster.

Beyond was to a point, but I found that it had a little more time for said character work, and I appreciated that also, and I think it had less plot holes too. All too often in the first two there were moments where on subsequent viewings you were like 'hang on, WTF' - but then this has the beastie boys scene in and I can't make my mind up if it's cute or appalling.

I love all three movies and more or less equally too. Each had it's highs and lows. Sometimes, deep down I think MAYBE the 2009 is the best one, because it was just so fresh, clever and and exciting. But then I make the case for the other two. I'm torn.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I was really looking forward to this when it came out. I saw it three times, and I enjoyed it every time. As someone said upstream, it captures the swashbuckling adventurousness of TOS, which was painfully absent from Berman Trek. For me, it hasn't aged particularly well, at least as Trek. As an action/adventure sf film, I still think it's pretty good, and like a lot of other Trek (Voyager, Enterprise) if it's on, and there's nothing else I want to see, I'll let it run.

I think the casting and acting were nearly spot on. Indeed, that's really what excited me about it in the first place. It's still a source of viewing pleasure.

Eric Bana was wasted. He often is, but my sense is that he's a better actor than most of the parts he gets. I understand that there was originally a lot more to the part, but I don't have a good sense if it would have been something he could have worked with.

One of my big problems with it is that there's too much that strikes me as flippant, and not successfully so. When the Enterprise catches up with the Narada, for instance, and they're surrounded by death and destruction, once Pike introduces himself Nero responds with a very casual "Hi, Christopher, I'm Nero," with an inflection that never failed to get a laugh in the theater. I found it very off-putting.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I think the opening, before the credits, is some of the best Trek written. It's somewhat contrived, and it still tears me up.

 

[Smellmet]

I was really looking forward to this when it came out. I saw it three times, and I enjoyed it every time. As someone said upstream, it captures the swashbuckling adventurousness of TOS, which was painfully absent from Berman Trek. For me, it hasn't aged particularly well, at least as Trek. As an action/adventure sf film, I still think it's pretty good, and like a lot of other Trek (Voyager, Enterprise) if it's on, and there's nothing else I want to see, I'll let it run.

I think the casting and acting were nearly spot on. Indeed, that's really what excited me about it in the first place. It's still a source of viewing pleasure.

Eric Bana was wasted. He often is, but my sense is that he's a better actor than most of the parts he gets. I understand that there was originally a lot more to the part, but I don't have a good sense if it would have been something he could have worked with.

One of my big problems with it is that there's too much that strikes me as flippant, and not successfully so. When the Enterprise catches up with the Narada, for instance, and they're surrounded by death and destruction, once Pike introduces himself Nero responds with a very casual "Hi, Christopher, I'm Nero," with an inflection that never failed to get a laugh in the theater. I found it very off-putting.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I think the opening, before the credits, is some of the best Trek written. It's somewhat contrived, and it still tears me up.

The opening scene is, as you've said contrived, and it's VERY Hollywood. But it's SO good, but I kinda think it's a shame that it ended up being the best space battle of the three movies.

 

[fireproof78]

Forgot to mention, I think the opening, before the credits, is some of the best Trek written. It's somewhat contrived, and it still tears me up.

Even if it is contrived it sets up Kirk's arc so beautifully that I'm willing to forgive it. It makes me cry, I can't get through it without crying, and it is fantastic from the word go.

I'm also intrigued by the fact that people do not like Nero's introduction to Pike. Nero is a Romulan who experienced a psychotic break with seeing his world destroyed, and then being flung through time. He is a miner, not military, and he sees no need for formalities and titles.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I'm also intrigued by the fact that people do not like Nero's introduction to Pike. Nero is a Romulan who experienced a psychotic break with seeing his world destroyed, and then being flung through time. He is a miner, not military, and he sees no need for formalities and titles.

To be clear, I'm not saying that it's unreasonable that Nero would behave like that. More like, I think whoever wrote that scene was a little tone deaf to what was going on before. Or, if it was Bana's choice of performance, it was a misstep.

That said, I've never heard another person complain about it, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was just me.

 

[Nyotarules]

I watched it twice in the cinemas 11 years ago, its my fav of the reboot movies but my enjoyment of the Kelvin movies has gone from an 8.75 to around 7.
I do not understand the issue with Spock having a human girlfriend, his father Sarek had one who eventually became his wife since I doubt Amanda married her Vulcan husband the first time she saw him. So Vulcan/Human pairings are not that odd. Beside this version of Spock seems to have less issues with his human side. TOS Spock needed therapy!
Kirk and the bunch of graduates rapid promotion. Yeah, well Starfleet has a tradition of idiot admirals who make stupid decisions
I loved Greenwood as Pike, such a shame he died in STID. Hated the bloody lens flares and the destruction of Vulcan, as for the red matter, well its going to go the way of the Genesis device and transwarp beaming, used once and never to be seen or heard of again...
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[fireproof78]

To be clear, I'm not saying that it's unreasonable that Nero would behave like that. More like, I think whoever wrote that scene was a little tone deaf to what was going on before. Or, if it was Bana's choice of performance, it was a misstep.

That said, I've never heard another person complain about it, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was just me.

Oh, I've heard that a couple of times. Pretty sure it was in this thread too...

ETA: Yup.

Now, are all these things possuble/plausible? Yup. But in the totality, I got the sense of someone who keep throwing things in just for the sake of being provocative, which is at heart, immaturity. Nero addressing Pike informally as "Christopher"! That was the moment in the theater that took me out.

Now, for my part, I think it fits with Nero as a character. I think he is a Romulan living with barely controlled rage and his flippant nature towards the destruction is just him holding back that rage.

But, I can appreciate that others don't like it.