Strange thing about the hull

[valkyrie013]

Well, why does the Excelsior has that massive cut out at the bottom of the Engineering hull? this isn't the first, and differently not the last ship that has a design element that a logical minded person goes.. Huh?
For me, being that I build these things in 3d, and when doing that I break out my slide rule, and measure deck height, length, seeing if x,y,z can fit in to the ship, some ships are just all jacked up.
This one? Only guess is that they wanted more space windows so when they show quarters, they can use the same set (thats true even in CGI its a set) and keep costs down.
or just looked cool to the designer.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Well, why does the Excelsior has that massive cut out at the bottom of the Engineering hull? this isn't the first, and differently not the last ship that has a design element that a logical minded person goes.. Huh?
For me, being that I build these things in 3d, and when doing that I break out my slide rule, and measure deck height, length, seeing if x,y,z can fit in to the ship, some ships are just all jacked up.
This one? Only guess is that they wanted more space windows so when they show quarters, they can use the same set (thats true even in CGI its a set) and keep costs down.
or just looked cool to the designer.

I dont disagree i see your point it looks cool. I'm fine with that. I guess the reason I started a thread on it it's because I'm sure there are people that are sweaty about their starship designs in this board and that's really cool people that really know why ships are designed a certain way and I figured I'd ask if there was a deeper reason for it.

Also on a side note people are always saying I want is Orville going to be its own show and personally I'm in no rush because I'm not getting Star Trek anywhere else right now and the idea of something being new is being the only qualifications for being good is false what makes Orville work is the devil's in the details so little stuff it's the reactions it's the fact that they might not make the decision that you think they would make or even if they do it's from a different perspective.

 

[Mudd]

I find there's enough strength in the good leg to make it enjoyable

Nope.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nope.

Pretty sure I do.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

It would stop trying to be Star Trek and just be its own thing?

The horror.

Why is everyone rushing to have Orville "be completely its own thing".. it already is. It's fine.. it's just a Trek show that we've been missing for twenty years. There is plenty of content out there on a million streaming services and I want to watch a show that is has a Star Trek like premise but is done with a fresh attitude? What is wrong with that

 

[valkyrie013]

I remember a Movie, A Beautiful Mind. the main character was OBSESSED with creating an Original Idea, and not say an advance of somebody elses work... He did, then he went insane..
Now try to find an Original idea in TV, Movies, Books Etc. these days, most are already done, and are retread with a tweak here or there. In Sci Fi, with a ship based show, your kind of limited on ideas, just based on budget usually. Your going to have a ship, be it clean or junky, some type of Engine, FTL or not, and if aliens are involved, there just going to be Play Doh on a human unless you have a good Cgi budget.
You can get some good stories, and chart your own coarse like B5, or Stargate, but is a bit cookie cutter.
For Orville, Seth liked Star Trek, he even stared in it in Enterprise, and he wanted to do a Trek show, so he did. Watch it or Don't. Thats on you.

 

[eschaton]

I mean, stepping back and thinking about Trek ships logically.

• There is zero reason for any spaceships which do not actually enter an atmosphere to actually be streamlined. Clean lines might look cool, but you can just as well build a jaggedy mess and it will be just as able to travel through space. Unless you think ships are flying through something other than vacuum at warp I suppose.
• While it's never been 100% clear in the Trek verse, we know there are industrial-sized replicators used for ship construction, and power seems to be cheap. Thus I don't think there are serious resource constraints which force you to have a given surface area to volume ratio.

 

[fireproof78]

Why is everyone rushing to have Orville "be completely its own thing".. it already is. It's fine.. it's just a Trek show that we've been missing for twenty years. There is plenty of content out there on a million streaming services and I want to watch a show that is has a Star Trek like premise but is done with a fresh attitude? What is wrong with that

Because the comparison game is fatiguing.

I'm glad it's the Trek show you have been missing for 20 years. I have not missed it.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Even with Trek's ship-building philosophy that almos every "feature" on a ship has a purpose. There may be a few purely aesthetic choices here and there, but I think most choices made have a purpose as well

 

[fireproof78]

Of course there are going to be aesthetic choices put in to starship design. They are not sterile environments built purely for purpose.

 

[Shawnster]

....Maybe Starfleet folks are sick to death of having skylights and floor windows, and want an exterior view they can enjoy without straining their necks - even if it largely consists of the opposite quarters' like windows? (And perhaps exactly because it does?)

But there is no view. The beings looking out those windows will be looking straight across at, presumably, more windows. Not even a courtyard to look down at. It is just a waste of space.

 

[Michael]

But there is no view. The beings looking out those windows will be looking straight across at, presumably, more windows. Not even a courtyard to look down at. It is just a waste of space.

It's not exactly a skyscraper, just two levels. And there seems to be plenty of space from one side to the other. Looking at space should be no problem whatsoever. Looking out of my window right now, there's another building maybe 30 meters away, yet I have no problem seeing the sky.

 

[Shawnster]

ooking out of my window right now, there's another building maybe 30 meters away, yet I have no problem seeing the sky.

Now move that building 15m closer and the view somewhat diminishes.

I get it, it's a TV show, it doesn't have to make sense, cutouts are cool... Still, form follows function.

I've also disliked the cutouts on various other depictions of the Enterprise or Federation starships
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/alternate-take-on-the-uss-discovery.296351/
https://trekmovie.com/2007/04/01/design-sketch-for-reimagined-enterprise-leaked/

But that's just me. Your mileage will vary.

Cutouts dont bother me, but I do wonder how they get from the saucer to engineering, considering the nacelles are supposed to be too hot to travel through while the ship is running.

Yeah, that's another one. I didn't like it on TNG when they depicted the Oberth class as having habitable decks in that lower pylon. I'd much rather those pods be advanced sensors or weapons or mission specific components.

In a pinch I guess they could use transporters.

 

[fireproof78]

Having habitable space would be a necessity for even basic maintenance.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Cutouts dont bother me, but I do wonder how they get from the saucer to engineering, considering the nacelles are supposed to be too hot to travel through while the ship is running.

There aren't obvious turbolift shafts in the MSD. Being as it's 2380, site-to-site transport is the way to go when switching shifts to and from the deflector control room/possible torpedo launchers.

 

[BillJ]

For Orville, Seth liked Star Trek, he even stared in it in Enterprise, and he wanted to do a Trek show, so he did. Watch it or Don't. Thats on you.

Also did a Trek fanfilm when he was much younger...

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[eschaton]

There aren't obvious turbolift shafts in the MSD. Being as it's 2380, site-to-site transport is the way to go when switching shifts to and from the deflector control room/possible torpedo launchers.

Yeah, I figured that transporting was probably the easiest way to do it. Seems like a shite thing to rely upon in the case of an emergency though.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah, I figured that transporting was probably the easiest way to do it. Seems like a shite thing to rely upon in the case of an emergency though.

Plus it would be energy intensive beaming people all the time.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Yeah, I figured that transporting was probably the easiest way to do it. Seems like a shite thing to rely upon in the case of an emergency though.

There were similar questions with the Oberth class over the years, and being as it's a TOS movie era ship, transporting might not have been feasible then. Though it did seem to have some paths from the primary to the secondary hull that didn't involve going through the nacelles. It was just a long trip.

Plus it would be energy intensive beaming people all the time.

Just for shift changes for the most part, plus emergency situations.

 

[Tosk]

But there is no view. The beings looking out those windows will be looking straight across at, presumably, more windows.

A lot of people like a window, even if the view ain't much. Maybe they wave to each other in the morning.