Production Quality Of Picard

[EnderAKH]

There's no excuse for copy and paste fleets

Sure there is, the same one involved with every aspect of every show ever made: Time and money. They run out of one or the other, or both. Plus this guys defends it in universe: https://trekmovie.com/2020/07/05/us...seen-in-star-trek-picard-battle-of-coppelius/

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Something that is kind of missing because it's just a one off episode, is any real cost for her revenge. She blasts her way out dual wielding phaser rifles with no injuries, no other character really cares that she used them to get revenge. Usually revenge stories have a dig-two-graves cautionary side to them. Like Picard coming to his senses in First Contact. That's just my preference though

Do they really know? I think Picard suspected when she asked for the rifles, but doesn't know exactly what happened. And she mentioned something about killing bad people to Rios. Other than that, nobody knows.

Then again, this is the crew who waved away Jurati killing an unconscious ex-lover who, afaik, has not hurt anybody, because of a premonition. I personally don't condone Seven's actions, but at least Bdazzled had tortured and killed countless xBs, including Icheb, for profit, and she had bodyguards with her (so at least a tiny fighting chance) and was, you know, conscious. It would be rich if they now judged Seven.

If that scene with Rios is any indication, maybe she herself will deal with it in a constructive way. Or maybe it will bite her in the ass, that reptile dude is still alive, isn't he?

 

[JamesRye]

Sure there is, the same one involved with every aspect of every show ever made: Time and money. They run out of one or the other, or both. Plus this guys defends it in universe: https://trekmovie.com/2020/07/05/us...seen-in-star-trek-picard-battle-of-coppelius/

I realise time and money is a problem - but this series cost a shed load to make and I expected better. That sequence is so poor with the lighting and texturing of the ships. The Trek Movie article is interesting, but it smacks of clutching at straws for me. No military that I am aware of has just one class of ship. The F/X guys have admitted that they didn't have enough time, probably because the series hadn't been properly planned out and it was dropped on them at the last minute. My point is that there is a huge army of fans out there (pros and amateurs) that could have supplied them with quality meshes.

There's a fun post on Mike Okudas facebook page where he shows a Klingon ship that he'd designed to be used in Yesterdays Enterprise. But it wasn't deemed high enough quality.

 

[fireproof78]

I would not trust the fans to complete it on time and under budget.

Fans are amazing in their dedication but often underestimate what the industry actually wants.

Give me copy and paste fleet because in the story it makes sense.

 

[EnderAKH]

My point is that there is a huge army of fans out there (pros and amateurs) that could have supplied them with quality meshes.

That would be legally next to impossible. You would have to clear with those fans compensatory hurdles; licensing or sale of the design outright for use in future ancillary materials such as books, video games, future tv and movie productions, comic books, etc; credit hurdles; clearance hurdles to make sure the designs obtained from fans did not infringe upon any previously copyrighted or trademarked designs. Go look into the Tardigrade lawsuit, or Axanar. CBS can't just reach out and go, "Hey? We're running a little short on time, anyone got any cool ships we can borrow?"

 

[Kpnuts]

Check out how awesome the Discovery (a design I hated when I first saw it - in that awful clip they played at conventions) looks in this clip:

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There's no excuse for copy and paste fleets - come to the fans and have a design contest! Then don't hide everything in murky, janky sequences. Better still get Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz to come in as lead F/X supervisor, the guys work is amazing.

A million times better. That looks great. CBSTrek's murky (definitely the right word!) ultra contrasty space shots look terrible by comparison.

As for the copy paste fleet, I'm hoping the backlash has made them realise that things like that are important to a big group of people and they'll put a bit more effort in next time. In fact like you say hire a better a VFX supervisor, please.

Unless it makes sense in the context of the story. Which it does.

It wasn't done for some arbitrary context, it was done for time and cost saving.

If you gave the producers (all 18 of them) unlimited time and money to produce the perfect Federation fleet, they would not copy and paste the same ship 200 times.

 

[fireproof78]

It wasn't done for some arbitrary context, it was done for time and cost saving.

If you gave the producers (all 18 of them) unlimited time and money to produce the perfect Federation fleet, they would not copy and paste the same ship 200 times.

Cool. I'll be sure to give it to them.

That would be legally next to impossible.

Also this.

 

[Dukhat]

So another thing bothering me about Picard is the cheap holographic button effects. This is highly overdone in so many sci fi and superhero movies and shows it’s boring and cheap looking really. Also it’s impractical. Why but just make a holographic control console instead if cheap holographic see through panels. I really hate that cheap effect any amateurs computer and video maker can do in minutes at home.

Well, since you won't be watching the second season of PIC because you hate the show so much, you don't have to let any of this bother you.

 

[Kpnuts]

Cool. I'll be sure to give it to them.

My point is it wasn't a creative choice to copy and paste the same ship 200 times.

 

[Kpnuts]

So another thing bothering me about Picard is the cheap holographic button effects. This is highly overdone in so many sci fi and superhero movies and shows it’s boring and cheap looking really. Also it’s impractical. Why but just make a holographic control console instead if cheap holographic see through panels. I really hate that cheap effect any amateurs computer and video maker can do in minutes at home.

Agree.

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[fireproof78]

My point is it wasn't a creative choice to copy and paste the same ship 200 times.

No it was a choice influenced by multiple factors, something that fans seem so completely ignorant of that they expect they can just run and save the day.

As I said it works in context and that is good enough for me.

 

[Dukhat]

My point is it wasn't a creative choice to copy and paste the same ship 200 times.

No, it wasn't a creative choice. It was a choice made because they didn't have enough time in post-production to flesh out the fleet better.

Am I happy that they only used a lowish-poly model and multiplied it 200 times? No, not really. Do I understand the reasons why? Sure. Am I hoping they'll have more time to make other, more detailed ships in season two? Absolutely. Am I happy they just didn't reuse more DSC ships for Riker's fleet? Abso-frigging-lutely.

 

[JamesRye]

That would be legally next to impossible. You would have to clear with those fans compensatory hurdles; licensing or sale of the design outright for use in future ancillary materials such as books, video games, future tv and movie productions, comic books, etc; credit hurdles; clearance hurdles to make sure the designs obtained from fans did not infringe upon any previously copyrighted or trademarked designs. Go look into the Tardigrade lawsuit, or Axanar. CBS can't just reach out and go, "Hey? We're running a little short on time, anyone got any cool ships we can borrow?"

Lebowitz and Koerner are both fans who previously worked on Enterprise, BSG, DS9 and VOY. Both have expressed shock over the copy and paste fleet. Lebowitz himself said on Facebook that there were a ton of groups they could have turned to for assistance.

https://www.facebook.com/Adam.Mojo.Lebowitz/posts/10221252891728437

 

[fireproof78]

Well, if it's just that simple...

 

[EnderAKH]

Lebowitz and Koerner are both fans who previously worked on Enterprise, BSG, DS9 and VOY. Both have expressed shock over the copy and paste fleet. Lebowitz himself said on Facebook that there were a ton of groups they could have turned to for assistance.

https://www.facebook.com/Adam.Mojo.Lebowitz/posts/10221252891728437

Again, NOT LEGALLY. They have no contracts with Kurtzman's production company. Haven't worked with ANY Star Trek in 15 years. There are LEGAL hurdles that have to be overcome that have ZERO to do with willingness. The same production entities are not even running things anymore. It is nowhere NEAR as simple as you are making it out to be, or that those guys know. They don't have to deal with that stuff, that's what they have their own lawyers for. That's why they don't accept open script submissions anymore. Lawyers.

 

[JamesRye]

Well, if it's just that simple...

What an insightful riposte

 

[fireproof78]

What an insightful riposte

Because @EnderAKH has noted the legal hurdles and barriers already which apparently have been ignored.

 

[XCV330]

If Gene were alive and functional today, Me Too would have him still hunkering down in a cave somewhere with ISIS leadership.

As far as the optimism, id like more of that, but I'd also like to see more of HOW an optimistic society thrives and develops.

ENT, as usual, had multiple chances to run with that ball and kept fumbling:

Earth Culture: There was a world war. And things were bad. And Vulcans came. And everything was pretty much great and people were mostly awesome. Except for some moon racists. (condensed version)

Federation History: four openly hostile races unite together in a confederation due to the threat of a larger more technically power that threatens them. But they still can't stand each other. Also gazelles.​

So how did things change for the better? How did they go wrong? was it simply romulan meddling or was it something more insiduous, a long decay that began during the TNG or the lost era? Were federation ideals so shaken by the Borg incursions and Dominion war that they couldn't bear any further tests? I'm hoping Disco season 3 actually can deal with that way in a way that isn't "Michael Burnham's speech reestablishes the federation"

 

[Dukhat]

^What does any of that have to do with the production quality of PIC?

 

[XCV330]

^What does any of that have to do with the production quality of PIC?

When has a thread stayed on point?

Here. my two quatloos:

The production quality was fine. However the cargo ship whose name I don't remember now was drab and felt bargain basement. Rocinante and Serenity have both spoiled me for what a small repurposed sci fi ship should look like. OK.. drab isn't the word.

It looks like what a set piece for Picard would look like, if Picard was an off broadway live production. That's it. I don't hate it. but it doesn't stand up to other sets. and thats ok. doesn't have to. I guess. I did not feel that way about the borg cube but Christ.. it's a borg cube. hard to get that wrong.

The cloned fleet of Riker's mighty deus ex machina armada didn't bother me. It was a cheap solution but it could make sense that this era of Starfleet just churns out a lot of the same Model T Class ship.