Why no women captains?

[Pauln6]

A few firsts off the top of my head (as precarious as that may be):
1) Female first officer: The Cage
2) Female captain: Star Trek IV
3) Female admiral: STNG Season 2 (though STIV may have had one in a minor role.
4) First non-human captain: STNG-Conspiracy, season 1. Captain Rixx:

There was an off camera Vulcan captain in Immunity Syndrome.

 

[Tenacity]

And when did we see the first completely non-Human Starfleet starship captain?

Technically the Romulan Commander in “The Enterprise Incident” was non-human and she commanded an entire squadron.

And how many of her ships were Starfleet vessels?

There was an off camera Vulcan captain in Immunity Syndrome.

Never saw them.

1) Female first officer: The Cage

The question was seeing a alien in command of a Starfleet vessel.

2) Female captain: Star Trek IV

Didn't look alien.

3) Female admiral: STNG Season 2 (though STIV may have had one in a minor role.

Alien?

4) First non-human captain: STNG-Conspiracy, season 1. Captain Rixx:

Winner.

 

[Warped9]

Yeah, missed the Starfleet part. My bad.

 

[Henoch]

And how many of her ships were Starfleet vessels?

Almost one.

 

[Skipper]

Technically the Romulan Commander in “The Enterprise Incident” was non-human and she commanded an entire squadron.

It's interesting how in not-sci fi fiction of the same era (like, for example, Mission Impossibile), female high ranking officers or women in positions of power were part of the bad guys, like Soviet Union or Communist China. This was obviously presented as a bad thing, and in any case they were ready to fall prey to the charm of our heroes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And when did we see the first completely non-Human Starfleet starship captain? Third or fourth season of TNG?

So (in-universe) second half of the 24th century.

Depending on how you interpret "of Izar" it might be Garth.

 

[Jinn]

Depending on how you interpret "of Izar" it might be Garth.

@Lord Garth we need an expert opinion!

 

[Lord Garth]

@Lord Garth we need an expert opinion!

This is non-canon but, according to Star Charts, Izar was a Federation colony first settled in 2183. (source)

So I'd say Garth is Human.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is non-canon but, according to Star Charts, Izar was a Federation colony first settled in 2183. (source)

So I'd say Garth is Human.

But his powers and nigh immortality?

 

[Maurice]

The name "Izar" came out of DeForest Research...

1968-9-10 de Forest Research for Whom Gods Destroy <—edited date to fix typo
p1, sc. 2

Garth of Titan – Titan is the name of
Saturn’s largest moon. By Star Trek
time, 200 years in future, our solar
system will be suburbia. Is this meant
to indicate that Garth comes from
Titan? If meant to indicate an exploit,
suggest: Garth of Izar.​

...which seems to suggest Izar to refer an exploit, not a place, but that is contradicted in the same memo when they suggest replacing "Titans" with "Izarians" which suggests a race or grouo.

 

[Lord Garth]

The name "Izar" came out of De Forest Research...

1967-9-10 de Forest Research for Whom Gods Destroy
p1, sc. 2

Garth of Titan – Titan is the name of
Saturn’s largest moon. By Star Trek
time, 200 years in future, our solar
system will be suburbia. Is this meant
to indicate that Garth comes from
Titan? If meant to indicate an exploit,
suggest: Garth of Izar.​

...which seems to suggest Izar to refer an exploit, not a place, but that is contradicted in the same memo when they suggest replacing "Titans" with "Izarians" which suggests a race or grouo.

That's interesting that they'd do research for the episode so far in advance. Lee Erwin wrote the story outline for "Whom Gods Destroy" on July 18, 1968.

So it must've been an idea thought up during the second season and then went unused until the middle of the third. That's happened other times as well, like with "The Omega Glory", where nothing was done with the idea until later.

I think the idea that they wanted Garth to be from Titan suggests the original intention was that they wanted Garth to be from an Earth colony. And then they just changed the name of the colony to "Izar" because "Garth of Izar" sounds better than "Garth of Titan".

 

[Maurice]

That's interesting that they'd do research for the episode so far in advance. Lee Erwin wrote the story outline for "Whom Gods Destroy" on July 18, 1968.

So it must've been an idea thought up during the second season and then went unused until the middle of the third. That's happened other times as well, like with "The Omega Glory", where nothing was done with the idea until later.

I just checked. Turns out there's a typo in the filename of the document in question. That date on the doc proper is Sept. 10, 1968.

July 18, 1968 is the date of the revised story outline (there's no sign of a previous version in the Roddenberry collection), which was marked received by the Trek offices on the 19th, as per...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Also, a human without a surname is uncommon.

Iceland?

 

[Lord Garth]

But his powers and nigh immortality?

He learned the ability to perform cellular metamorphosis from the inhabitants of Antos IV.

 

[Lord Garth]

Also, a human without a surname is uncommon.

Maybe he's like Prince or Madonna.

 

[Maurice]

Also, a human without a surname is uncommon.

Iceland?

Apparently also in Myanmar/Burmese. Also, not uncommon in Indonesia. Also among Igala people and Urhobo people in Nigera.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Some of those groups have newly created surnames based on the names of their parents, rather than no surname at all.

WWIII, and the lack of modern resources afterward, would have scraped off entire ethnicities from, the planet.

 

[Tenacity]

Maybe he's like Prince

Prince Rogers Nelson.

or Madonna.

Madonna Louise Ciccone.

 

[Lord Garth]

Prince Rogers Nelson.
Madonna Louise Ciccone.

Iman.

 

[Pauln6]

But his powers and nigh immortality?

Garth says he was 'taught' the power of transmutation but it's more plausible that they altered his genome and his insanity was a side effect so he could well be human. It's why I think ST Into Darkness would have been better off using Garth - genetic tweaks can save Kirk but at what cost?

Similarly, I've always assumed that the Vulcan nerve pinch must have a telepathic component, because it makes no scientific sense and anybody could learn it, and then they let Data do it, sigh.