Why no women captains?

[Pauln6]

That being said, did man body chemistry normalize Janice?

Or did she wig out on all that testosterone?

She was fine with the testosterone, it was Kirk's mojo she couldn't handle.

 

[Skipper]

And I have to say that even the-second-best-explanation for this infamous line (i.e. the Kirk's life as a captain don't have space for a relationship with a woman) is quite sexist too. It would mean she is a woman totally obsessed with a relationship with a man, a little sad cliché.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

And I have to say that even the-second-best-explanation for this infamous line (i.e. the Kirk's life as a captain don't have space for a relationship with a woman) is quite sexist too. It would mean she is a woman totally obsessed with a relationship with a man, a little sad cliché.

I'd say that it's more the opposite, that Kirk's obsession with his ship doesn't allow him any extra time, space, or energy to devote to a serious relationship. We see this in several episodes, but "The Naked Time" and "The Deadly Years" are the first ones that come to mind right now.

 

[Skipper]

I'd say that it's more the opposite, that Kirk's obsession with his ship doesn't allow him any extra time, space, or energy to devote to a serious relationship.

Err, I know English isn't my native language, but isn't it exactly what I wrote?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Err, I know English isn't my native language, but isn't it exactly what I wrote?

It's also what Spock said in Elaan of Troyius after Kirk shuck off her roofie.

MCCOY: Spock, I've isolated the biochemical substance of the Elasian tears. It's a kind of an infection, and I think I've found an antidote.
SPOCK: You are too late, Doctor. The Captain has found his own antidote.
MCCOY: Are you out of your Vulcan mind? Do you know how long I've worked on
SPOCK: The antidote to a woman of Elas, Doctor, is a starship. The Enterprise infected the Captain long before the Dohlman did.
KIRK: Mister Sulu, prepare to take us out of orbit.

Although push comes to the shove in the Nexus, Kirk wanted to be with a woman who left him alone. Antonia was peripheral to his happiness. A woman he regretted letting go, that in an imaginary world he still had to chase after.

 

[Pauln6]

It's also what Spock said in Elaan of Troyius after Kirk shuck off her roofie.



Although push comes to the shove in the Nexus, Kirk wanted to be with a woman who left him alone. Antonia was peripheral to his happiness. A woman he regretted letting go, that in an imaginary world he still had to chase after.

Much has been made of Kirk's nexus fantasy being a bit lame but when you phrase it like that, pursuit of a dream that is just out of his reach is pretty Kirk. He becomes dissatisfied once he achieves his goal. He always has to be striving.

 

[Jayson1]

And I have to say that even the-second-best-explanation for this infamous line (i.e. the Kirk's life as a captain don't have space for a relationship with a woman) is quite sexist too. It would mean she is a woman totally obsessed with a relationship with a man, a little sad cliché.

Not if she is having a mental breakdown of some kind. Then it's just someone who is sick and needing help. That's why the mental illness angle has always been the best head canon answer to the episode.

Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

Not if she is having a mental breakdown of some kind. Then it's just someone who is sick and needing help. That's why the mental illness angle has always been the best head canon answer to the episode.

Jason

23rd century severe mental psychosis can be fixed with a pill.

 

[Jayson1]

She is allergic to those pills.

Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

She is allergic to those pills.

Jason

What about the anal suppository versions of the same pills?

 

[Jayson1]

What about the anal suppository versions of the same pills?

I think if your allergic to something just having it in your body is bad for you. Like if I was allergic to strawberries I think I would still get sick if I put them up my butt to get them inside me.

Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's only one way to one sure.

I watched Turn about Intruder last night.

Star Trek earned it's cancellation.

 

[Jayson1]

You never know. Maybe in season 4 they hire Rod Serling to run the show and we get the most brilliant season of them all.

Jason

 

[MAGolding]

Here is a minor contribution to the discussion/

In "Court Martial" Commodore Stone said:

STONE: Stop recording. Now, look, Jim. Not one man in a million could do what you and I have done. Command a starship. A hundred decisions a day, hundreds of lives staked on you making every one of them right. You're played out, Jim. Exhausted.
KIRK: Is that the way you see it?

In "share Leave" Yeoman Tonia Barrows describes herself as a girl:

TONIA: Yes. Yes. It was so sort of story book walking around here, and I was thinking, all a girl needs is Don Juan. Just day dreaming, the way you would about someone you'd like to meet.

TONIA: That's just it. It's almost too beautiful. I was thinking, even before my tunic was torn, that in a place like this a girl should be, oh let's see now, a girl should be dressed like a fairy-tale princess, with lots of floaty stuff and a tall hat with a veil.

When McCoy is killed she breaks down:

TONIA: It's my fault. It never would have happened. It's my fault.
KIRK: No.
TONIA: It is, it is. I'm to blame.
KIRK: Yeoman! We're in trouble. I need every crewman alert and thinking.
TONIA: Aye, aye, sir.

In "Tomorrow is Yesterday":

CREWWOMAN: Good morning, Captain.
KIRK: Morning. (drags Christopher along) Captain.
CHRISTOPHER: A woman?
KIRK: Crewman.

So in Starfleet "crewman" is used for human crew members of both genders. So perhaps Stone used "man" to mean "member of the humans species", or maybe "intelligent being or person".

 

[Tenacity]

Maybe in season 4 they hire Rod Serling to run the show and we get the most brilliant season of them all

Some of season one feels like Stirling was running the show.

In "share Leave" Yeoman Tonia Barrows describes herself as a girl

In The Corbomite Malnuver, McCoy refers to Kirk as "boy."

 

[Tenacity]

So in Starfleet "crewman" is used for human crew members of both genders. So perhaps Stone used "man" to mean "member of the humans species", or maybe "intelligent being or person".

Or, the young man who wished Kirk a good morning was a cross-dresser, which starfleet of course has no problem with.

Kirk was simply correcting Christopher.

CHRISTOPHER: A woman?
KIRK: Crewman.

 

[RAMA]

Because Star Trek hated women!!! The 60s hated women!

Well, no. It was a product of the time and to be fair, a woman did not become a commander of a US Navy ship till 1990, 21 years after the show went off the air. It probably did not occur to anyone on the show. First officer was the glass ceiling.

RAMA

 

[Tenacity]

First officer was the glass ceiling.

And when did we see the first completely non-Human Starfleet starship captain? Third or fourth season of TNG?

So (in-universe) second half of the 24th century.

 

[Warped9]

Technically the Romulan Commander in “The Enterprise Incident” was non-human and she commanded an entire squadron.

 

[RAMA]

And when did we see the first non-Human Starfleet starship captain? Third or fourth season of TNG?

So (in-universe) second half of the 24th century.

A few firsts off the top of my head (as precarious as that may be):
1) Female first officer: The Cage
2) Female captain: Star Trek IV
3) Female admiral: STNG Season 2 (though STIV may have had one in a minor role.
4) First non-human captain: STNG-Conspiracy, season 1. Captain Rixx: