That's what I assumed.
Watched the final four back-to-back. What a way to finish!
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That's what I assumed.
Watched the final four back-to-back. What a way to finish!
5/5
That was a great finale.
I was sad to see all the droids get blasted.
Ahsoka and the droids dropping and raising the floor on the clones was a pretty cool non-fatal way to take them out.
The last scene was not what I expected, but I liked it.
My only real disappointment was that I was kind of hoping for more of a set up for the stuff that happens after the end of the war.
I was sad to see all the droids get blasted.
Ahsoka and the droids dropping and raising the floor on the clones was a pretty cool non-fatal way to take them out.
The last scene was not what I expected, but I liked it.
My only real disappointment was that I was kind of hoping for more of a set up for the stuff that happens after the end of the war.
Or a biography of Ahsoka
And I don't think/hope she died before the terrible TROS.
The last episode was good, but should be 16+ because of the death of the poor Droids
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So should the whole PT then too.
It was a good final part of this story. It didn't really have the feel of a "finale" as it was pretty much all (great) action with last week's having most of the emotion. But really more than any other Clone Wars arc these final four episodes are best viewed all as one movie length story. The animation, music and acting were the best the show has ever been. Really wish we'd get more in this style (maybe we will, who knows!)
Thoughts on the final season as a whole: First arc was a fairly typical Clone Wars arc. It had the usual problems all these four episode arc have (well, not the last one) of kind of lacking in story in the middle but it was a very entertaining action adventure. The only thing I find strange is Filoni's claim that this was the story he needed to tell as the final arc for the clone troopers. The story where Fives discovered Order 66 would have been a far more effective final clone story, in my opinion, and would have led perfectly into the events of the final arc. Even the arc where the Dexter Jettster Jedi was killing clones I think would have worked far better as a final story for them. It was good definitely but I'm not sure why it was so important it had to be made.
The arc with Ahsoka and the sisters was sadly the biggest disappointiment of the season. I was all for what I imagined this story would be: seeing how Ahsoka would be away from the Jedi, what kind of a person she'd be without them, what she'd get up to. But I don't think we really got that? It felt like the sisters having an adventure with Ahsoka just along for the ride. Yeah she heard about how the Jedi caused the deathsof their parents but she'd already decided the Jedi weren't all that great even before that. The third episode ended up being a waste of time because the fourth episode ignored all its character development. The whole arc seemed to be building up to the moment where the sisters found out Ahsoka was a Jedi but when they finally did...they didn't really care that much? The whole story ended up having no bearing on the final arc. It was still pretty good just because Ahsoka's such a good character, the sisters were decent characters, there was some good action, great animation, and the evil Ben Quadinaros people, but it just felt like a big missed opportunity to me.
Both of those arcs should have been three episodes long so we could have got a two part story about General Grievous going on a date with Sy Snootles.
Final four I have no complaints, loved it: as mentioned above it was movie quality stuff (and one of the good movies, not TROS), the best of Clone Wars and just these four episodes justified bringing the show back. Just that freaking Maul/Ashoka duel last week justified bringing it back.
Thoughts on the final season as a whole: First arc was a fairly typical Clone Wars arc. It had the usual problems all these four episode arc have (well, not the last one) of kind of lacking in story in the middle but it was a very entertaining action adventure. The only thing I find strange is Filoni's claim that this was the story he needed to tell as the final arc for the clone troopers. The story where Fives discovered Order 66 would have been a far more effective final clone story, in my opinion, and would have led perfectly into the events of the final arc. Even the arc where the Dexter Jettster Jedi was killing clones I think would have worked far better as a final story for them. It was good definitely but I'm not sure why it was so important it had to be made.
The arc with Ahsoka and the sisters was sadly the biggest disappointiment of the season. I was all for what I imagined this story would be: seeing how Ahsoka would be away from the Jedi, what kind of a person she'd be without them, what she'd get up to. But I don't think we really got that? It felt like the sisters having an adventure with Ahsoka just along for the ride. Yeah she heard about how the Jedi caused the deathsof their parents but she'd already decided the Jedi weren't all that great even before that. The third episode ended up being a waste of time because the fourth episode ignored all its character development. The whole arc seemed to be building up to the moment where the sisters found out Ahsoka was a Jedi but when they finally did...they didn't really care that much? The whole story ended up having no bearing on the final arc. It was still pretty good just because Ahsoka's such a good character, the sisters were decent characters, there was some good action, great animation, and the evil Ben Quadinaros people, but it just felt like a big missed opportunity to me.
Both of those arcs should have been three episodes long so we could have got a two part story about General Grievous going on a date with Sy Snootles.
Final four I have no complaints, loved it: as mentioned above it was movie quality stuff (and one of the good movies, not TROS), the best of Clone Wars and just these four episodes justified bringing the show back. Just that freaking Maul/Ashoka duel last week justified bringing it back.
I think Maul's biggest mistake was in not telling Ahsoka that Palpatine was the Sith Lord. If anything would have convinced Ahsoka that Anakin was in danger and needed saving from the Sith, it would have been the information that his longtime friend and mentor was the one doing the manipulating.
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Rewatching the last episode and dammit, I just realised Filloni went and pulled yet another "Ahsoka = Gandalf" nod right at the end there; she's wearing a cloak very similar to the one from the Rebels coda, but where that one was pristine and white, this one was tatty and grey.
So Ahsoka the Grey becomes Ahsoka the White...And no, before anyone chimes in that's not a 'Grey Jedi' reference; because "Grey Jedi" aren't a thing and the very concept is asinine.
The closest thing to proof that I can think of off the top of my head in the balcony scene outside Palpatine's residence in TPM. Even that could be danced around since it's highly likely Maul got in through some secret access way (he'd hardly go in the front door right past the Senate guards and the Naboo consulate staff.) So he may not have knows who's official residence he was in, only that it was one of possibly several thousand on that tower.
Dooku did say that Sidious controlled the senate, but did he know how directly or did he think Palpatine was Sidious's puppet?
So Ahsoka the Grey becomes Ahsoka the White...And no, before anyone chimes in that's not a 'Grey Jedi' reference; because "Grey Jedi" aren't a thing and the very concept is asinine.
I know it's something I've probably taken for granted before now, but do we know for a fact that Maul knows about Sidious's Palpatine persona? Did Dooku? I mean do we ever see them together when Sidious didn't have his hood up?
The closest thing to proof that I can think of off the top of my head in the balcony scene outside Palpatine's residence in TPM. Even that could be danced around since it's highly likely Maul got in through some secret access way (he'd hardly go in the front door right past the Senate guards and the Naboo consulate staff.) So he may not have knows who's official residence he was in, only that it was one of possibly several thousand on that tower.
Dooku did say that Sidious controlled the senate, but did he know how directly or did he think Palpatine was Sidious's puppet?
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Maul said, he was not privy to his former Master's plans. So it's likeey he might not have know his biggest secret of all.
Dooku on the other hand knew.
That final look he gave Palpatine before Anakin killed him on his order was one of shock when realizing the betrayal. I think up to that moment he believed Palpatine would save him.
That is indeed a good question. I do seem to recall a moment in my recent re-watch of Clone Wars that indicated that Dooku knew, but little moments like that tend to blur together in a binge re-watch. Maybe it was the sequence where Yoda was on the Sith homeworld in the final arc of the original run?
And, as you say, we saw Sidious conversing with Maul at Palpatine's residence in TPM.
I have to say that I find it unlikely that neither Maul nor Dooku were aware of Sidious's true identity. If so, then that hood has the concealing power of Clark Kent's glasses. I actually believed that the true purpose of keeping Palpatine's identity "secret" until episode 3 was more for the audience's sake rather than the purpose of hiding his identity from his apprentice. Lucas has said that despite release order, he feels the movies are best watched chronologically. With that in mind, he would want the reveal that Palpatine was a Sith Lord to feel like a shocking betrayal, despite the fact that the majority of his audience had known this since 1983.
That's almost certainly the intent of that scene and has been my assumption up until now (and still kind of is), however one could just as easily take that moment as "sudden and shocking revelation as he realises who Palpatine really is and what's really going on here". So there's still a credible possibility that Dooku wasn't in the know until literally that last second.
I tend to agree Maul, Dooku and Talzin almost certainly did know, I'm just illustrating that there's story potential in the notion that they didn't (except Talzin, I can't see even Palpatine keeping that from the likes of her.)
Alternatively Maul withholding the name could (and probably is) nothing more than making sure not to just give away *every* card he's holding until Ahsoka commits to his quest. He even says in the very same episode that information is a commodity right before he has Saxon go assassinate Almec in order to keep his mouth shut.
There is flat out no way that Dooku doesn't know Sidious is Palpatine. How are you assuming that Dooku was recruited to the Sith? A stranger wearing dark robes and strong with the Dark Side walks into a bar? No, he did the exact same thing he did with Anakin. He presented himself as the charming and relatable Palpatine until a weakness presented itself that would allow him to reveal his true self safely, not as a threat but as a promise. Not to mention that their entire plan hinges on running both sides of the conflict as it takes shape. Which Dooku was clearly in on, right up until the bit where the next step of the plan was his replacement by Anakin.
Maul I suppose could go either way. He was more or less raised by Sidious, as far as we know. It's possible that it was kept a secret from him. But it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There is too too much to be gained by Maul being in on that secret, and not a lot of upside to keeping it from him.
I feel like Maul not revealing it has little to do with not knowing, and far more to do with the two things that define Maul. He always seeks leverage and power, which having secrets gives him. And he's utterly petrified of Sidious.
Maul I suppose could go either way. He was more or less raised by Sidious, as far as we know. It's possible that it was kept a secret from him. But it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There is too too much to be gained by Maul being in on that secret, and not a lot of upside to keeping it from him.
I feel like Maul not revealing it has little to do with not knowing, and far more to do with the two things that define Maul. He always seeks leverage and power, which having secrets gives him. And he's utterly petrified of Sidious.
Well i decided to rewatch Revenge of The Sith as well since if you are going for emotional devastation why not go all out.
Never noticed that during the scenes where the Jedi go off to face Palpatine and Anakin is being conflicted where during sunset before, seems like a nice kind of symbolism.
Never noticed that during the scenes where the Jedi go off to face Palpatine and Anakin is being conflicted where during sunset before, seems like a nice kind of symbolism.
Interesting point. Ahsoka completely dismissed the idea of Sidious turning Anakin, which ... is perfectly understandable, really. Maul is an untrustworthy Sith. Whereas Anakin - whatever her differences are with the Jedi - is still her mentor and friend. From Ashoka's POV, it's a fairly preposterous suggestion.
But, had Maul thrown in that SIdious was actually Palpatine, I think Ashoka would have connected the dots and absorbed the full horror of what the implications might be for Anakin ...
But, had Maul thrown in that SIdious was actually Palpatine, I think Ashoka would have connected the dots and absorbed the full horror of what the implications might be for Anakin ...
Despite my general dissatisfaction with ROTS it is beautifully shot in many places.
Just finished up May the 4th by watching the last episode. Highly emotional and moved me more than ROTS. The coda was OK, but some parts were just...meh.
But, overall, a somber ending that rivals ROTS in its atmosphere, and the depth of tragedy of the clones, and Anakin.
But, overall, a somber ending that rivals ROTS in its atmosphere, and the depth of tragedy of the clones, and Anakin.
More Rogue One silliness then?
Hard pass.
Hard pass.
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