It does not appeal.
Not doubt that means it will get made. I'm usually wrong about these sort of things.
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Not doubt that means it will get made. I'm usually wrong about these sort of things.
Because the last time he was going full on Obi Wan he lost his legs and an arm. So It is not so weird he is calculated, and he was on the DS so he had the time
I still don't think it fits, given how many years Vader would be simmering in anger and has a castle on the planet where it happened.
Agree to disagree at this point.
Will we see the basic figure of Vader that all Stormtroopers and Imperial officers see? Or do we see Anakin? Tormented by the choices he made, but also holding on to the Dark Side that powers him. Since we know where this character will end up in ROTJ, I think it's quite possible Anakin's turn to the Dark Side was never fully complete. It was always....."I need to sacrifice everything I have to save what I love" and after that "It's all I have left". But inside Vader, Anakin still lives.
I see what you are saying but after the prequels and clone wars we've already been introduced to a Vader that has broken the mold. The flood gates are open. Let's see how far it goes. In the right hands.....
Let's ask Jean Luc Picard what he thinks.
It would be a film I could not take seriously.
If they were to give a movie to a character from the Original Trilogy, I'd rather see it go to someone who hasn't already been a major focus of the franchise. Anakin/Vader has already had most of his history covered by the movies, TV series, comics, and novels at this point, so a movie seems unnecessary.
That's a fair enough point, but JL's story was never given a definitive end point. There is still story left tell in Picard's Saga, whereas Darth Vader's story has been completely told. the only thing a Darth Vader movie can accomplish is filling in holes in the back story that don't really need filling. Much like Solo, which I greatly enjoyed, it still wasn't a story that necessarily needed to be told. I just don't see what's left about the character that really needs to be said.
I remember the Darth Maul Shadow Hunter novel by Michael Reeves. It was a good and interesting story right up to the point that I realized that all the characters that I actually liked and was growing attached to were going to end up dead at the hands of Darth Maul. I closed the book and never opened it again. I see a similar thing happening in a Darth Vader focused story. As Ahsoka told Maul in the Siege of Mandalore, I'm not going to be rooting for him.
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This was sort of the point of seeing Anakin briefly resurface during Darth Vader's duel with Ahsoka. In fact, I recently read an article that postulated that Anakin's fall wasn't complete until that moment with Ahsoka. In other words, it's a story that's already been told.
We had six movies focusing on Anakin/Vader. We don’t need another. And people who wanted their kewl “I’m gonna run through a bunch of Rebels” got their moment in Rogue One. And Anakin got a ton of time in TCW. You’ve seen him as a boy, a student, a hero, his fall, his redemption. His story, I think, has been sufficiently told.
Why do we need more?
Why do we need more?
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Exactly my point. Are people really wanting a movie to cheer on the bad guy? Because, I'm sorry, this board has taught me that having the good guys side with the bad guys is wrong. And now there is an active push to have a bad guy center film, where the bad guy will actively hunt down the good guys and kill them?
The most irritating thing for me is that it is Rogue One as well as Maul in Clone Wars all over again. Maul and Vader get bad ass scenes in hallways where they are slaughtering people left and right in the most grotesque of ways. Nary a comment to be had.
To me it smacks of hypocritical bull.
Because, apparently, Vader isn't badass enough yet we need to see him do more...or something like that. I don't know. I think its a crap argument based solely on fan service and rule of cool, which with any other film would be actively disparaged and mocked.
I'm just about to finish season 4 of Clone Wars, then I'll watch Rebels. Not there yet. I do know about that duel already, but not about what it implies, so that will be curious to see.
You're going to jump to Rebels after you finish season 4 of Clone Wars or after you finish the entirety of Clone Wars? I would recommend finishing the entire show.
Ment to say finish Clone Wars first.
I think everyone makes really valid points and I see where you're all coming from. But I think money will be the winner at the end of the day.
I agree that Vader's story is complete. But there is a gap to fill between the prequels and original. We see him become Vader, we don't see the following 20 years that make him the Villain he is by ANH. I don't imagine the transition so clear cut. "Hey, you're more machine than man now, all your loved ones are dead and you think you killed your wife and unborn child, now go be Vader and don't let that bother you!".
To be honest the prequel story didn't need to be told also. We had the basics of how Vader became who he is. We didn't need to see that story fleshed out. Same for Cone Wars.
I agree that Vader's story is complete. But there is a gap to fill between the prequels and original. We see him become Vader, we don't see the following 20 years that make him the Villain he is by ANH. I don't imagine the transition so clear cut. "Hey, you're more machine than man now, all your loved ones are dead and you think you killed your wife and unborn child, now go be Vader and don't let that bother you!".
Let's ask the Joker.
Star Wars is not Batman.
They've already explored the early days of Anakin's transition to Vader in the comics, so I think that could be a pretty clear indication that they don't have any plans to explore it onscreen.
If we really need another prequel focused on a character from the Original Trilogy, I'd be much more interested in a Leia movie or a Lando movie than a Vader movie.
Vader is probably the one OT character who's history has been the most thoroughly explored.
Just finished the final season. I thought it was a bit underwhelming. The animation was great, but I felt they wasted too much time in the first eight episodes and then came full on with the arc, which felt more like a movie. I wish the tone and pacing of the last four episodes had been that way throughout the entire season.
I thought both of the first two arcs could've been cut down to two episodes apiece and that could've left four extra episodes to build up more to the end of the Clone Wars and the fall of the Republic.
It was neat to see what Ahsoka and Rex were doing during ROTS, and the Bad Batch and the Martez sisters weren't bad characters. And the nods to Rebels, Solo, and Rogue One were also neat. The scenes between Ahsoka and Maul in Rebels now also have a new resonance.
My biggest quibble, outside of the disjointedness of the season was Obi-Wan saying that Sidious was playing both sides of the Clone Wars. How would he know that exactly? If he had just stuck with Sidious is the power behind Dooku, okay, that works. But how would he know that Sidious also was controlling the Republic? And if the Jedi knew that, why were they still fighting?
Dooku did tell Obi-Wan that Sidious controlled the Senate, but in the films I didn't see that he actually believed Dooku. And while I recall some of the novels-Labyrinth of Evil and the ROTS novelization-having the Jedi be suspicious that Palpatine or someone close to him was being manipulated by Sidious, I didn't see them say that in the films. Perhaps it's been explained in one of the Disney comics or novels that I am not aware of, but it felt off to me that Obi-Wan would just casually say that Sidious was playing both sides.
I thought both of the first two arcs could've been cut down to two episodes apiece and that could've left four extra episodes to build up more to the end of the Clone Wars and the fall of the Republic.
It was neat to see what Ahsoka and Rex were doing during ROTS, and the Bad Batch and the Martez sisters weren't bad characters. And the nods to Rebels, Solo, and Rogue One were also neat. The scenes between Ahsoka and Maul in Rebels now also have a new resonance.
My biggest quibble, outside of the disjointedness of the season was Obi-Wan saying that Sidious was playing both sides of the Clone Wars. How would he know that exactly? If he had just stuck with Sidious is the power behind Dooku, okay, that works. But how would he know that Sidious also was controlling the Republic? And if the Jedi knew that, why were they still fighting?
Dooku did tell Obi-Wan that Sidious controlled the Senate, but in the films I didn't see that he actually believed Dooku. And while I recall some of the novels-Labyrinth of Evil and the ROTS novelization-having the Jedi be suspicious that Palpatine or someone close to him was being manipulated by Sidious, I didn't see them say that in the films. Perhaps it's been explained in one of the Disney comics or novels that I am not aware of, but it felt off to me that Obi-Wan would just casually say that Sidious was playing both sides.
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