Spoilers The Clone Wars - Season 7 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Imaus]

The atmosphere was palpable. The animation of course is great. But I dunno, the events feel off? Rex really didn't take that chip out, huh. Ahsoka almost got mowed down like three times! I just felt that Rex should had yanked that chip out ASAP, maybe after the incident 'cooled down' but before Order 66 happened.

There is flat out no way that Dooku doesn't know Sidious is Palpatine. How are you assuming that Dooku was recruited to the Sith? A stranger wearing dark robes and strong with the Dark Side walks into a bar? No, he did the exact same thing he did with Anakin. He presented himself as the charming and relatable Palpatine until a weakness presented itself that would allow him to reveal his true self safely, not as a threat but as a promise. Not to mention that their entire plan hinges on running both sides of the conflict as it takes shape. Which Dooku was clearly in on, right up until the bit where the next step of the plan was his replacement by Anakin.

Maul I suppose could go either way. He was more or less raised by Sidious, as far as we know. It's possible that it was kept a secret from him. But it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There is too too much to be gained by Maul being in on that secret, and not a lot of upside to keeping it from him.

I feel like Maul not revealing it has little to do with not knowing, and far more to do with the two things that define Maul. He always seeks leverage and power, which having secrets gives him. And he's utterly petrified of Sidious.

Well, actually, kind of? Dooku went home because he grew away from the order. Sidious sort of literally did cruise into a bar for him, because the scene where Anakin lops his head of is also the scene that it is heavily implied Dooku realizes that Palpatine is Sidious.

And Dooku is so drunk on the idea of a new galaxy free from the vices of the old Republic that he doesn't look too much into it. The Jedi knew the Sith were around about this time (retroactively justified by a 'Dark Jedi incident' a hundred odd years before the Prequels and feeling 'dark side disturbances' for a few centuries before that, to justify the lines in TFM where the Jedi already know about the Rule of two). Dooku knows they're out there, was seduced by this guy, and thinks the Sith are still hiding far, far away from the Republic and not in its core.

After all, Maul didn't even know, he probably thinks the guy just got into Kamino and slipped the order in rather than being Palpatine. (Though apparently they're walking on PALPATINE'S BALCONY IN TFM?)

 

[USS Firefly]

More Rogue One silliness then?

Hard pass.

Was Roque one sillier then the other Star Wars movies?

 

[fireproof78]

Was Roque one sillier then the other Star Wars movies?

With Vader? Yes.

 

[Booji]

 

[fireproof78]

because the scene where Anakin lops his head of is also the scene that it is heavily implied Dooku realizes that Palpatine is Sidious.

I never had that implication so I'm curious how that is interpreted?

 

[USS Firefly]

With Vader? Yes.

Why, vader just came out of the bactatank and he is strong in the force and he needed to get the plans

 

[Booji]

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[Saul]

More Rogue One silliness then?

Rogue One excellence with some of the best Vader scenes expanded into a full movie.

 

[fireproof78]

Why, vader just came out of the bactatank and he is strong in the force and he needed to get the plans

It doesn't fit tonally with his behavior in ANH. He's strong in the Force and he is motivated to get the plans back but against his former master he apparently is more reserved?

Rogue One excellence with some of the best Vader scenes expanded into a full movie.

Agree to disagree. Vader scenes were full on fan service with little substance to them, and an entirely differently feeling Vader than the OT. He felt like a video game character. So did Maul.

These are well executed, well put together scenes that ultimate don't mesh well for the rest of the tone.

Mileage and all that jazz.

 

[Stephen!]

It doesn't fit tonally with his behavior in ANH. He's strong in the Force and he is motivated to get the plans back but against his former master he apparently is more reserved?

Perhaps because in Rogue One, he's dealing with a ticking clock, trying to prevent the rebels from getting away with the Death Star plans. Whereas in A New Hope, Obi-Wan isn't going anywhere, so he can be a bit more laid back.

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps because in Rogue One, he's dealing with a ticking clock, trying to prevent the rebels from getting away with the Death Star plans. Whereas in A New Hope, Obi-Wan isn't going anywhere, so he can be a bit more laid back.

That could work as an explanation. But, it still doesn't fit for me.

As I said, mileage.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Or maybe despite is tough guy talk he isn’t as confident against Obi Wan as he’d like to project?
Last time they saw each other Obi cut him into multiple pieces and burned him alive.
That is probably a dink in his confidence.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Do we really need another movie focused on Darth Vader? We have six movies and seven seasons of television (eight if you count Rebels season 2) already focused on the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.

 

[Xerxes82]

The atmosphere was palpable. The animation of course is great. But I dunno, the events feel off? Rex really didn't take that chip out, huh. Ahsoka almost got mowed down like three times! I just felt that Rex should had yanked that chip out ASAP, maybe after the incident 'cooled down' but before Order 66 happened.



Well, actually, kind of? Dooku went home because he grew away from the order. Sidious sort of literally did cruise into a bar for him, because the scene where Anakin lops his head of is also the scene that it is heavily implied Dooku realizes that Palpatine is Sidious.

And Dooku is so drunk on the idea of a new galaxy free from the vices of the old Republic that he doesn't look too much into it. The Jedi knew the Sith were around about this time (retroactively justified by a 'Dark Jedi incident' a hundred odd years before the Prequels and feeling 'dark side disturbances' for a few centuries before that, to justify the lines in TFM where the Jedi already know about the Rule of two). Dooku knows they're out there, was seduced by this guy, and thinks the Sith are still hiding far, far away from the Republic and not in its core.

After all, Maul didn't even know, he probably thinks the guy just got into Kamino and slipped the order in rather than being Palpatine. (Though apparently they're walking on PALPATINE'S BALCONY IN TFM?)

You're assuming on the Maul thing. We don't actually have any real reason to think Maul didn't know. And no, not telling Ahsoka isn't evidence. Maul never gives away everything he has, he has too much love of leverage. He's also terrified of his former master, and isn't going to risk putting himself out on that branch alone. Not telling Ahsoka is 100% in character for Maul.

The Dooku stuff is also a massive, massive reach. The scene where he dies implies no such thing. Dooku is bested by Anakin (which was not part of the plan, so far as Dooku knew) but has faith that his master will ensure his safety as the war ends. His utter shock isn't because he suddenly figures out Palpatine is Sidious, he clearly already knows this. It's because he didn't see Sidious' betrayal coming. Dooku thinks that once the Empire has been established he'll rule it right alongside Palpatine. The only part of the plan that Darth Tyrranus isn't in on is the part where he is replaced by the far more powerful Darth Vader.

I honestly can't believe there are people that think Dooku didn't know Palpatine was Sidious. The relationship doesn't work unless that card is on the table, it just doesn't. Their entire scheme depends on each of them commanding the opposite factions of the war, so as to ensure that it continues unabated until they wish it to end.

 

[fireproof78]

Do we really need another movie focused on Darth Vader? We have six movies and seven seasons of television (eight if you count Rebels season 2) already focused on the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.

Not only do I not need it but i see no reason to have a Star Wars film with the villain as the protagonist.

 

[Campe]

I doubt I’d find much interest in a Vader film.

 

[Ithekro]

There are questions about the aftermath that can't be covered by the show.

We know the Empire stopped using clones eventually. The question is how quickly did they end the project on Kamino? Did they decide to get their money's worth and left the batches that had been started develop over the next nine to ten years to fill at least part of the ranks of the Stormtrooper and Starfighter pilot corps? It would give the Empire enough time to slowly transition into volunteer and conscript armies of humans with a sizable highly skilled force of clones to train them. The Empire would start to need to push for recruitment only as the last batch of Clone Wars born clones entered service around 9 or 10 BBY (or around the time Han Solo joins the military)., These last clones would be viable units for at least ten years in every decreasing numbers. By the time of the Battle of Yavin, the remaining clones would be just getting past their prime, but would still be capable soldiers (as seem by observing the even older Rex).

 

[kitik]

I doubt I’d find much interest in a Vader film.

And yet I LOVED that first Darth Vader comic series that Marvel put out a few years ago that also introduced Dr Aphra.

 

[fireproof78]

Dr. Aphra was a good addition. And Vader could be interesting at times, but then there were scenes like:

Here Vader is surrounded by Rebel soldiers. Who are we to be on the side of? Who do we want to win?

Well, apparently, we want Vader to win because it would look cool...if Star Wars were rewritten for today then Vader would be charging in slaughtering Rebels.

What a film...

 

[Ithekro]

Just think of it as Anakin Skywalker leading his clones into battle against terrorists. Certain point of view and all that.

Mostly its Vader trying to piece together who is against him or what new thing Palpatine is trying to do to keep him off balance. Or trying to piece together what is left of his life. (searching for a way to bring back Padme, or trying to solve the mystery of the boy named Skywalker, that was with Obi-wan Kenobi and blew up the Death Star.)