Waiting for final episode before getting into 'Picard'?

[Morpheus 02]

I would say binge watch the season now if possible. In the USA I am taking advantage of CBS All Access for a month then quitting (my daughter needed to watch a rare Twilight Zobe episode for school).

For episode 7 you will have a hard time finding the post because it is titled differently.

 

[JesterFace]

I must admit, I'm curious about the series and I maybe I'll eventually watch it.

Quoting myself here....
Fortunately I said "maybe I'll eventually watch it." Spoilers can be useful too. In the past few days I've found out things that makes it look like I'm not interested in this new series. Maybe, again, maybe, I'll pay some attention to it at some point in my life, but right now I'm not interested at all. The 'Picard' series is pooping so much on TNG that interest is pretty much gone. I can't say more than that, those would be spoilers. TNG is more than a television series for me, some of you might understand that feeling. The way 'Picard' in treating some parts of it.. no, just no.

 

[Lord Garth]

Quoting myself here....
Fortunately I said "maybe I'll eventually watch it." Spoilers can be useful too. In the past few days I've found out things that makes it look like I'm not interested in this new series. Maybe, again, maybe, I'll pay some attention to it at some point in my life, but right now I'm not interested at all. The 'Picard' series is pooping so much on TNG that interest is pretty much gone. I can't say more than that, those would be spoilers. TNG is more than a television series for me, some of you might understand that feeling. The way 'Picard' in treating some parts of it.. no, just no.

You're right. You shouldn't watch it. You've already made up your mind. So even if you see it, you won't really be watching it. At least you own it. I can respect that. Some other people don't.

 

[NCC-73515]

The 'Picard' series is pooping so much on TNG

Where did you get that idea? I like TNG more than any of the others, and I think PIC is great

 

[Makarov]

He's talking about the scene in episode 13 where Number One takes a number two on Picard's TNG bluray set

 

[Lord Garth]

He's talking about the scene in episode 13 where Number One takes a number two on Picard's TNG bluray set

Beavis & Butthead joke there.

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[saladdays]

Where did you get that idea? I like TNG more than any of the others, and I think PIC is great

Yeah, I enjoyed it too. And I like TNG more than many people on here as well.

 

[TRON JA307020]

My favourite series is TNG and by the time I got into it, 'All Good Things...' had already aired, maybe years before?
The entire series was already out there, ready to be discovered through VHS in the 90s.
I was thinking, would it be a good idea to get into 'PIcard' in the same way. So far I haven't watched the series, apart from few trailers. I was thinking that maybe I should wait until the entire 'Picard' series is out there before getting into it. I would know what to expect. Not all the details, but the general feeling of the show.

I waited and I was spoiled on a huge plot point. I wouldn’t recommend it,

 

[JesterFace]

Where did you get that idea? I like TNG more than any of the others, and I think PIC is great

I don't know how to answer this question without a list of spoilers.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't know how to answer this question without a list of spoilers.

Spoiler Policy for Picard in the Picard Forum is only in effect for the first two weeks after an episode airs. Everywhere else it's six months. So you can post "spoilers" in here without the moderators penalizing you for it.

So go ahead.

 

[Kor]

The show isn't TNG, and there's nothing wrong with that. Stuff happens that we aren't used to, and that we weren't expecting. That doesn't mean anything is "pooping" on anything else. It's simply expanding and developing things in new directions rather than safely sticking with the same tired stuff we've seen a million times before.

Kor

 

[JesterFace]

Spoiler Policy for Picard in the Picard Forum is only in effect for the first two weeks after an episode airs. Everywhere else it's six months. So you can post "spoilers" in here without the moderators penalizing you for it.

So go ahead.

Thank you for the information.

This is a quick reply, I might forget something, but since you asked....

These are things that might not annoy others but.... I'm me.
TNG has a very special place in my heart so maybe I'm overreacting?

By pooping on TNG I meant Bruce Maddox and few other things. I don't think many people liked Maddox much as he was the ”bad guy” in 'The Measure of a Man'. Still, would it be the same to watch that classic episode knowing what will eventually happen to him in PIC? I mean I know what PIC did with him but haven't watched the episode.. (yet?)

Picard's death. From now on Picard is a copy of himself? But not Picard.

Brent Spiner and his obsession to get Data killed. First in 'Nemesis'. Well, that wasn't enough, lets do it again.

Death is unfortunately a part of life but why start killing TNG characters?

The visual style of Trek has changed so much. Times change, in real life and in the world of Star Trek, but the overall look of the show is just so different it's somehow annoying. I have seen only few clips of the show on youtube so with actually watching the show this opinion might change.

Seven. I have watched 'Voyager' and like some of it but I'm not a huge fan. Having someone with some history with the Borg could get interesting but as I don't know how she was introduced to the series I'm not sure how to react to her.

Hugh. Isn't 'I Borg' an amazing episode? Since I haven't watched the series I don't know how Hugh is treated.. but do I want to take the risk? Same thing as with Maddox. If PIC could/might ruin '”The Measure of a Man' could it also ruin 'I Borg'?

As I write this I understand that some things could only be answered by watching PIC. But, do I want to take the risk? To ruin some great episode? Maybe I'll just wait until the final episode, like I thought when creating this topic.

Try not to laugh at this post. Oh wait, you just read it, too late....

The show isn't TNG, and there's nothing wrong with that. Stuff happens that we aren't used to, and that we weren't expecting. That doesn't mean anything is "pooping" on anything else. It's simply expanding and developing things in new directions rather than safely sticking with the same tired stuff we've seen a million times before.

Kor

Yeah, it's not TNG. Maybe it's not my thing, even if the same guy is starring in it.

 

[The Old Mixer]

^ I'm not sure how waiting until the currently hypothetical final episode of the series has any bearing on your concerns. Won't they still be the same concerns then?

 

[cosmic mouse]

As I write this I understand that some things could only be answered by watching PIC. But, do I want to take the risk? To ruin some great episode?

I may be misunderstanding your meaning here, but if you watch and dislike PIC how is that ruining past episodes of TNG that you loved? There are movies I adore that have lackluster sequels, but it doesn't change my feeling about the original film...

 

[NCC-73515]

By pooping on TNG I meant Bruce Maddox and few other things. I don't think many people liked Maddox much as he was the ”bad guy” in 'The Measure of a Man'. Still, would it be the same to watch that classic episode knowing what will eventually happen to him in PIC? I mean I know what PIC did with him but haven't watched the episode.. (yet?)

I don't see how that has any effect on the past. Kirk died in Generations, how many TOS episodes and previous movies did that 'poop on'?

Picard's death. From now on Picard is a copy of himself? But not Picard.

Picard and all the others were copied every time they transported. Picard himself was once inside the ship's systems, and in a nebula (Lonely among us). That was way more insane than giving him a new body. Which is the same that happened to Spock, how did SFF 'poop on' TOS episodes and TMP/WOK?

Brent Spiner and his obsession to get Data killed. First in 'Nemesis'. Well, that wasn't enough, lets do it again.

Nimoy did WOK because he enjoyed the thought of getting Spock killed. Did Nimoy 'poop' as well?

Death is unfortunately a part of life but why start killing TNG characters?

If you mean Hugh: That was unnecessary and is a valid reason. But what they did with him before was great.

The visual style of Trek has changed so much. Times change, in real life and in the world of Star Trek, but the overall look of the show is just so different it's somehow annoying. I have seen only few clips of the show on youtube so with actually watching the show this opinion might change.

Every ship looks different, even on TNG. Do you think the Sirena should have a Galaxy style interior? Did DS9, FC, VOY, ENT, STXI, Beyond 'poop on' TNG cause they have new uniforms, props, etc.?

Seven. I have watched 'Voyager' and like some of it but I'm not a huge fan. Having someone with some history with the Borg could get interesting but as I don't know how she was introduced to the series I'm not sure how to react to her.

Her interaction with Picard is one of the highlights.

Hugh. Isn't 'I Borg' an amazing episode? Since I haven't watched the series I don't know how Hugh is treated.. but do I want to take the risk? Same thing as with Maddox. If PIC could/might ruin '”The Measure of a Man' could it also ruin 'I Borg'?

Did FC ruin BOBW? Did Generations ruin TNG? Did Relics ruin TOS? Did If Memory Serves ruin The Cage?

As I write this I understand that some things could only be answered by watching PIC. But, do I want to take the risk? To ruin some great episode? Maybe I'll just wait until the final episode, like I thought when creating this topic.

Seriously, did BTTF2 and 3 ruin 1? Did Aliens ruin Alien? Did T2 ruin T1? Or to compare extremes: Did Alien 3 and Prometheus ruin Alien or Aliens? Did T3-6 ruin T1-2? You better never ever watch any sequels whatsoever XD

 

[lawman]

Okay, most of your examples are right on the money, but just to play devil's advocaze I'd say Alien 3 did ruin (or at least severely undermine) Aliens, in just its first few minutes!...

 

[NCC-73515]

Okay, most of your examples are right on the money, but just to play devil's advocaze I'd say Alien 3 did ruin (or at least severely undermine) Aliens, in just its first few minutes!...

That's why I'd like to forget T6 as well
But Aliens and T2 are still as watchable as before, right?

 

[Lord Garth]

Wait a minute. Hold on. What are these Terminator movies after T2 I keep hearing about?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

The show isn't TNG, and there's nothing wrong with that. Stuff happens that we aren't used to, and that we weren't expecting. That doesn't mean anything is "pooping" on anything else. It's simply expanding and developing things in new directions rather than safely sticking with the same tired stuff we've seen a million times before.

Kor

I am relatively new to this (online) fandom an still adapting to the overly dramatic (not to mention sometimes childish) choice of words. My favorite is still that current Trek apparently "rapes" people's childhoods.

I get not liking where they take it now, even just fom spoilers. Several plot or character developments I simply don't want to see could break it for me, too. (In fact, they just did with the DS9/ TNG novels I was interested in reading. I decided I don't like sevral of the soilers about my favorite characters, so I'm not interested in reading them anymore.) BUT, I would never presume to judge the quality of something I haven't seen or read myself, simply from plot points (and probably parroting other people's opinions).

 

[The Wormhole]

Picard's death. From now on Picard is a copy of himself? But not Picard.

Brent Spiner and his obsession to get Data killed. First in 'Nemesis'. Well, that wasn't enough, lets do it again.

Death is unfortunately a part of life but why start killing TNG characters?

That's a bit of an overreaction. Data's already been dead for twenty years, you can't blame that on this show. And Picard's death is undone a few minutes after it happens.

The visual style of Trek has changed so much. Times change, in real life and in the world of Star Trek, but the overall look of the show is just so different it's somehow annoying. I have seen only few clips of the show on youtube so with actually watching the show this opinion might change.

We're not getting a Star Trek show shot in 4:3 with a static camera ever again. Seems an odd reason not to watch a show.

Hugh. Isn't 'I Borg' an amazing episode? Since I haven't watched the series I don't know how Hugh is treated.. but do I want to take the risk? Same thing as with Maddox. If PIC could/might ruin '”The Measure of a Man' could it also ruin 'I Borg'?

I'll echo above thoughts that I really don't get how the presence of Maddox and Hugh could ruin The Measure of a Man or I Borg. Even if you don't like how they're handled in this show, how does that ruin or even change your opinions of episodes which aired thirty years ago? Does the fact that John Ales played Bruce Maddox in 2020 instead of Brian Brophy really prevent you from enjoying Measure of a Man next time you watch it?

Okay, maybe that one's a bad example considering how passionate everyone is over that casting decision.

 

[The Old Mixer]

My favorite is still that current Trek apparently "rapes" people's childhoods.

They're just ripping off 20-year-old Star Wars nerdrage.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

We're not getting a Star Trek show shot in 4:3 with a static camera ever again. Seems an odd reason not to watch a show.

Why do you assume that was the argument and not the obvious one, which is the lack of a faithful recreation of 2399 based on every scrap of averted/hypothetical future shown on TNG, DS9 and VGR right down to the uniform/communicator designs they kept reusing and of course classic TNG-era warp and phaser effects? I’m not saying what PIC did was unprecedented (the TNG films looked slightly different already), just that Star Trek (unlike Star Wars) has always given its productions free rein to deviate from others, and that just happens to detract a bit from character and story (“Look, new eye candy!”)