Yes, we seem to be meandering into alternative timelines.
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The Enterprise That Wasn't
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This thread is called “The Enterprise That Wasn’t.” FC and ENT retconned canon and broke off into its own parallel universes. In fact, I would argue that we’ve been seeing nothing BUT parallel universes since TOS’ second pilot “Where No Man Has Gone Before.” Or rather since “The Man Trap,” since that was the first episode ever aired.
Alternate timelines:
The Cage
WNMHGB
TOS
TAS
TMP
TWOK
TUC
Early TNG
TNG
Early DS9
DS9
VOY
ENT
JJ
DSC
PIC
Lower Decks
The Other New Animated Series
The New Movie
More...
This doesn’t count episodes within series that could be their own parallel universes.
Or Lit Universes like Rihannsu, Titan, DS9 Relaunch, Shatnerverse, etc in series and Ghost Ship, Dark Mirror, etc in one-offs. Never mind the different Graphic Novels. Or Fan Fictions. Or Art.
Yes, well, it is fan imagination and head canon to craft the preferred Enterprise series, rather than deal strictly in canon features.
Which is fine by me. Always amusing to see the different interpretations of Trek history.
Enterprises throughout galactic history. (Though, there have been other terrestrial ones.)
Per Wikipedia, the earliest Enterprise was the French ship L'Enterpise, captured by the English and rechristened HMS Enterprise in 1705.
The French Navy had, between 1671 and 1846, at least 23 sailing vessels christened with the name Entreprenant, French for "Enterprising."
The first USS Enterprise (1775) was a Continental Navy sloop, captured from the British and burned to prevent recapture in 1777.
Per Wikipedia, the earliest Enterprise was the French ship L'Enterpise, captured by the English and rechristened HMS Enterprise in 1705.
The French Navy had, between 1671 and 1846, at least 23 sailing vessels christened with the name Entreprenant, French for "Enterprising."
The first USS Enterprise (1775) was a Continental Navy sloop, captured from the British and burned to prevent recapture in 1777.
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What exactly did it ignore?
It did? Then why hasn't CBS officially announced that?
My idea is that this class of ship belong Earth's equivalent of NASA: the United Earth Space Probe Agency (UESPA), and not to Earth's Starfleet. It would be a purely scientific/exploration vessel with very little military influence, save for the commander, pilot and those who already have a military background, besides a science or engineering background. But civilians, like with NASA, can join straight into UESPA without joining Starfleet (which possess more combat-oriented ships).
I’d ask you to elaborate, but based on your response it doesn’t look like you really want to do that.
So in other words, it’s just a fan theory.
I don't feel like doing all the work for you. I'm more interested in other fans' creativity that's been fun here and in my own figuring out how things might have gone to share.
A fan theory for my money superior to incongruous corporate hackery? Sure. I said, "FC and ENT retconned canon and broke off into its own parallel universes. In fact, I would argue that we’ve been seeing nothing BUT parallel universes since TOS’ second pilot 'Where No Man Has Gone Before.'" That's having your cake and eating it too. Play with that. It sounds like you're looking for an Official Star Trek Authority Edict to permit you to recognize something that should be on some level self-evident.
This might have allowed for both this ship and the NX in the ENT universe. Maybe even to make them contemporaries – maybe civilian Earth ships employed larger rings and the military (Earth's Starfleet) employed more compact ones. Though it kind of clashes with ENT's Starfleet being more of a mix and the MACO's being the military.
But that's if you'd like to consider ENT. I like your idea and see it similar to the one suggested on page 1 by @King Daniel Beyond about the genius scientists.
Except that’s not how it works. It wasn’t my idea to say that FC ignored in-universe history; it was yours. So the onus is on you to prove it when someone asks you to defend your position.
No, like the above, I’m asking you to explain your remarks. Instead you’re just getting all pissy that I’m calling you out on your statements rather than actually defending them. You think that FC and ENT created an alternate timeline. Fine. But I’m pointing out that that idea is not endorsed by CBS, and therefore it’s nothing more than fan theory. I didn’t say it was a bad idea, just that it’s your own idea not shared by the people who are in charge of Star Trek canon. But you’re welcome to believe it all you want, and you’re welcome to explain why you feel that way. It’s not going to change the fact that it’s just your idea.
My idea stems from the fact that UESPA is suppose to the the NASA equivalent, and that a ship of this class would not be a standard military vessel. I would also say that a ship of this type would be in service before the launch of the NX-01 Enterprise in 2151, which means that you'd have at least 100 years of star-ship development (some more "radical", design-wise, than not). Also, in terms of the use of the ring-configuration, it may be that one star-ship developer simply adopted the Vulcan-style of ship? Whose to say that only the Warp-5 Project was the only project being developed? Still, I'm just spit-balling at this point in this discussion. But, I will agree that the design is an awesome one.
BTW, head-canon time: the elements from Nolan's "INTERSTELLAR" exist in STAR TREK, with a few tweaks (i.e. Earth was dying from the horrors of the 21st century, so a mission to find a temporary new home for humanity, while the planet was "detoxified", was done). Heh.
Because you didn't get it and got snippy? No thanks.
You have nothing to call me out on. You're presuming that I meant "officially" and that "officially" matters worth a damn.
Oh now that's interesting. During the post-atomic horror, whatever governments or corporations were left were hedging their bets and thinking about getting off that rock ASAP.
Yeah...I see this conversation is going nowhere, and I think I’ve pretty much made my point, so I’m bowing out now.
Well, gee, I'm convinced.
“We have top men working on it right now.”
“Who?”
“Top. Men.”
I assume it's about the "Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri" line from TOS, which, yeah doesn't gel with First Contact. But again stuff like that just happens in a long running franchise.
Its possible the writers didn't remember Cochrane was of that sector of the Galaxy or wasn't necessary for their tale, but gosh, what a missed opportunity to have the same plot but was in Alpha Centauri instead of our solar system in the movie FC.
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