Now on 31 pages because 2 women locked hands and may have had off screen sex.
Clearly Bisexuality on TV is not an issue for anyone in the 21st century
No.
EARLIER.
A sexy baddie lady called Seven of Nine "Anika" and the internet lost it's shit.
Spoilers On Seven and sexuality
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No.
EARLIER.
A sexy baddie lady called Seven of Nine "Anika" and the internet lost it's shit.
We know more about Paris in the first episode than we do about Culber in two seasons of Discovery.
But... we literally don't know the sexuality of anyone outside the senior staff, so how can you use them? Of course I meant the main crew of the show. And it's not 1 or 2 in 8 or 9, it's 3 (Culber, Stamets, Reno) in 6 (Burnham, Saru, Tilly). 7 if you count Tyler.
This makes no sense.
I am gay, so it would be a bit weird if I had a problem with gay people. You're missing the point, quite clearly.
Then, there is no problem with seeing Seven and Raffi. Glad that's cleared up. You've had a problem with seeing them up to now.
What do you call blaxploitation for gays?
It's not great to be pandered to by an idiot.
It's not great to be pandered to by an idiot.
Your contention is that the scene with Seven and Raffi was simple exploitative pandering? Holding hands, even so little?
Not at all, it's my contention that a healthy gay man can feel like that without being a selfloathing masochist, which is what is happening.
I was amazed when Kpnuts admitted that he was gay, becuase the language he was using seemed like text book hatespeech, but "wow" it's not.
I'm not gay, so I don't feel like some one is trying to manipulate me, and my wallet, badly by parading lesbians around in a positive light, but were the lesbians really paraded around in a positive light?
Hand holding is half assed.
But the straight couple did it first, so that's all you have to do to prove that you are a couple.
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Seven and Raffi was still done horribly. And it was pure pandering to throw in yet more gay characters. But yes, better than Culber and Stamets
I'm very happy to see gay characters in popular culture, but new Star Trek is taking it too far to the point where it's cringeworthy. Nothing I've said is "hateful". There's a fine line between inclusion and pandering and Secret Hideout crossed it miles ago.
But...Culber and Stamets actually have a relationship with something of an established background. We know about why they're together even if you don't like the characters.
I just personally don't care about them. They're a gay couple because Star Trek wanted to introduce a gay couple for the first time. That's not interesting, that's cheap and forced.
No, actually this point has been answered several times now. I think the phenomenon would be called internalized homophobia, and it's not at all uncommon.
Whether you are gay or not does not make your opinion more or less valid.
However, we are supposed to not talk about "the poster", I hope that includes the poster himself, too. Because it's really hard to do when that is stated as if it was a valid point every second post.
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So you complain that they are adding too many gay people but you also hate that they introduced a gay couple for the first time. Sounds like you just dont want gay people on Trek.
How would you interestingly add a gay couple? And I know you said Culber isnt fleshed out but we proved you wrong on that one already
I'm not so sure about that. While I do think many or most of them are prejudice, I think money carries more weight. Especially when Hollywood moguls started to fade out and Corporations started to take control. Corporations have no objective other than make money for a very few people at the top and also become risk adverse and the standard thinking of the day which might have even been somewhat accurate back when times were more racist and sexist is that only movies with White Male leads make money. Plus you need a sexy women for sex appeal. You avoid religion and politics. You add nudity if your R-rated and all sorts of things that was just assumed you needed to make money. Once in awhile someone would do something different like how Jaws and then Star Wars created the movie blockbuster and instead of seeing this as proof to try new things they instead often just play follow the leader to the next big trend. Which actually is something they still do plenty today it's just that diversity was able to prove itself as a means for profit so they now do it.
Jason
Jeri Ryan is obviously very attractive, but I found her Voyager outfits very off-putting. It was just too much, almost pornographic. Like we get it, she's hot, but stop objectifying her.
Not just her outfits but just the way they would film her too. All of it was so off-putting that it had the opposite effect for me. Not enjoyable in this space fantasy adventure.
The level of obtuseness in this thread is pretty incredible. I suppose it's very easy to idiotically label me as some bigot who doesn't want to see women or gay people on tv, but that would be missing the point.
Excuse me? No one proved me wrong that Culber isn't fleshed out.
How would I handle it? I'd write two compelling characters into a show, who happened to be a gay couple. Basically, what they did with Seven and Raffi. Just a shame the reveal of them being gay was laughably badly done. And you know, they're the 5th character in two senior crews to be gay, but that's another argument done to death now.
Discovery introduced a gay couple to make headlines and to virtue signal, with the actual character development coming second. Or in Culber's case, non-existent.
It's almost like politics.
We're gonna need more bottles. 
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