To be fair none of those enemy commanders have been a mole and a head of starfleet security for decades. <---- that was the issue I had with Riker's - "Okay just return to Romulan space"; bit to Romulan Commodore Oh.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"
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Oh is also guilty of the murder of 92,000 Federation citizens at Mars.
Personally I'd have opened fire on her and tried to destroy her command ship, but hey, that's just me. 
I react poorly to tense standoffs involving dangerous weapons.
The product of years spent playing video games, I suppose. At least in part.
I react poorly to tense standoffs involving dangerous weapons.The product of years spent playing video games, I suppose. At least in part.
Maybe (if you haven't already) you should try playing the old Star Trek adventure games (25th Anniversary, Judgment Rites, and A Final Unity), which didn't emphasize combat. Forget about the newer ones though, those are all about shooting aliens.
They have accolades and achievements/trophies for it now. 
I just found it funny they were using stock footage. Not judging them for it.
re quoting myself
There's no reason to assume things below the brainstem are specific enough to one person and can't be a default golem thing.
Normal for people in his culture at that time. Immortality would be unnatural, and undesirable (as Data explained).
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Its a bit of a grey area really, if Picard is a Synth then he should have synthetic parts somewhere in his body, if all of his body is organic including the brain then he is not a synth at all and neither is Soji/Dahj.
That would mean its a question of genetic engineering and that has been banned in the Federation for a long time now.
If he is a synth then his outward appearance is clearly flesh and blood but his skeletal structure/muscles, spinal column and brain are not, which would explain how Altan was able to lock away abilities and download information for Soji/Dahj in advance.
At this point I am not convinced that either of the above is correct in Picards case which would make him something else entirely.
Of course, nothing applies to every member of every generation. Boomers had John Birchers as well as Hippies, and Millennials have social activists as well as social justice warriors. But the Zeitgeist is the Zeitgeist.
It does not. But the fact that he was minutes from death might have clouded Soji's interpretation of his actions. If he had just been given his new lease on life and was willing to sacrifice that, it would have been a more compelling gesture.
Yes, over analyzing shouldn't cloud the message: Picard prevailed through his perseverance and moral authority.
Clearly, in retrospect. I still feel cheated about the five queens, though.
I'll happily volunteer to be the point man on that one.
Genetic engineering is taking genes and engineering them.
Synthetic is mixing chemicals.
We are made from chemicals.
How hard would it be to make a couple ovums, since it's still probably 97 percent water?
Synthetic is mixing chemicals.
We are made from chemicals.
How hard would it be to make a couple ovums, since it's still probably 97 percent water?
And such ugly bags as well XD
Just watched the entire show yesterday taking advantage of the free CBS All Access.
I thought it was better than Discovery, and not bad, but certainly not up to par with TNG. What was interesting was killing Picard at the end.
Is this actually Picard now? Or is this a copy of his mind? We will never truly know.
Seemed a bit odd that they didn't put Picard in a younger body, but for the purpose of the show, it's just a shell.
If we are to assume that this is really Picard, and I think that is the writers' intent, then Dr. Soong discovered essentially immortality. Why would anyone want to be in a fragile human body when they can have an artificial one that could extend their lives indefinitely? Think of what that can do for sick people, or older people?
Picard may be 94 years old, but he still has a good zest for life, so why WOULDN'T he want to live on for decades or even centuries?
And regarding Data, why would he want to die? That made no sense either. If that was truly his consciousness, then why not just put THAT into a new body? That whole explanation about life being finite was nice, but a load of garbage, considering that Data didn't really live that long. It's not like he was hundreds of years old. Data was found in 2338 and died in 2379. 41 years is enough for him?
And if it only takes one neuron for Data to survive, why not just build him a new body? He's kind of like Brainiac in that regard.
I thought it was better than Discovery, and not bad, but certainly not up to par with TNG. What was interesting was killing Picard at the end.
Is this actually Picard now? Or is this a copy of his mind? We will never truly know.
Seemed a bit odd that they didn't put Picard in a younger body, but for the purpose of the show, it's just a shell.
If we are to assume that this is really Picard, and I think that is the writers' intent, then Dr. Soong discovered essentially immortality. Why would anyone want to be in a fragile human body when they can have an artificial one that could extend their lives indefinitely? Think of what that can do for sick people, or older people?
Picard may be 94 years old, but he still has a good zest for life, so why WOULDN'T he want to live on for decades or even centuries?
And regarding Data, why would he want to die? That made no sense either. If that was truly his consciousness, then why not just put THAT into a new body? That whole explanation about life being finite was nice, but a load of garbage, considering that Data didn't really live that long. It's not like he was hundreds of years old. Data was found in 2338 and died in 2379. 41 years is enough for him?
And if it only takes one neuron for Data to survive, why not just build him a new body? He's kind of like Brainiac in that regard.
The bodies of the Mudd androids were predicted to last many thousands of years and Uhura was briefly tempted with immortality by having her mind and essence transferred inside an android body made specifically for her. This is just another version of the same technology that TOS envisioned all the way back in 1966 and 1967 only more high-tech sounding these days.
Data wants to be dead.
Attempts to bring him back will not go well.
He will stop the process bringing him back, advise those bringing him back to stop, and them kill himself becuase he values his death, more than his life.
Picard S2 - They plug those 3 chips that comprise Data's simulation into a Nintendo Game Console; and he has to fight Evil Luigi (in 8-bit form) for control of "The World". (Picard's story is he can't figure out the 20th century game controller to help...)
My take on it was that the one neuron was all it took to construct a facsimile of Data's consciousness and memories, but not enough for him to survive outside of the quantum simulation. What existed in that simulation was like an echo of Data rather than the real thing.
TNG always made a really big deal about the complexity of Data's positronic brain - Data's failure to successfully replicate that brain was the reason Lal was unable to survive. Maddox (and Soong) took all the research he'd done on Data and was able to use Data's neuron to create other synthetic beings, but they are all unique individuals whose brains are not actually the same as Data's - they are young, new, still developing, and the connections and patterns their brains form as they develop are all distinct and different from the connections and patterns Data's positronic net formed over the years. The specific and immensely complex positronic brain that was once Data no longer exists, there are no extant scans of the kind that would allow it to be reproduced, and without such scans, it isn't possible to create a new brain suitable to map Data's consciousness onto - it would be like trying to make a square fit into a circular hole, doomed to failure in the same way that Data copying himself into B4's more primitive brain failed. And thus Data remains dead. What Picard met was akin to a ghost, endlessly trapped but unable to exist in any other form. And so Picard set him free to rest in peace.
That's what I took from the story, anyway.
Reading that I just realized why the scene with Data felt familiar... it was not unlike Picard meeting Guinan's echo in the Nexus.
Data's brain is a Rube Goldberg machine.
That's an interesting thing, but again, the question becomes why? Is Data suicidal? Why wouldn't Picard try to talk to him about it? If Picard can be revived in a new body, it stands to reason that Data could as well. Data only lived 41 years. In the All Good Things Timeline, Data was alive and well at this point in history. It makes perfect sense to reanimate him.
I guess that's an interpretation, but I feel the writers implied that was really him. And the show seemed to imply that just one neuron can contain all of Data's consciousness. If they can bring in Picard, there is no logical reason they can't do the same with Data.
Yes, and all of the above was true during the TNG era. But clearly this has changed. They now can not only make artificial life as good as Data, they can do better. It makes no sense, or at least we deserve an explanation, that Picard can be brought back but Data can't. Also, why only one Picard? Why not 50? Each one can captain 50 starships. THAT should have been explained too.
If there can only be ONE, then that's further evidence that it really IS Picard, and not come copy.
That would be game changing for basically every Trek since 1994.
