Spoilers On Seven and sexuality

[ThreeEdgedSword]

I hope so, too. Does it mean we can make a character thread for her (not just about her sexuality)?

 

[Rahul]

On a side-note: I never really cared for Chakotay, and the Seven-Chakotay-relationship on VOY came pretty much out of nowhere as well.

But I'm still a bit disappointed to see them having broken up. I'm really not a fan of the "suddenly-single-in-the-sequel"-syndrome (see also: Speed 2, and literally any other action movie where only one of the main characters appeared in the sequel).

 

[Guy Gardener]

He wanted to farm, and she wanted to kill Romulans, bringing order to he Galaxy.

Is Seven going to get hooked on Snakeleaf?

Seven is a stepmother, and stepgrandmother now, or soon, if they tie the knot.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Seven is a stepmother, and stepgrandmother now, or soon, if they tie the knot.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wewent from nothing handholding and nowthey're tyig the knot? Actually, sounds just like Picard.

I can see it now, S02E01: Wedding ceremony. Lots of fanservice (VOY crewmembers attend). Lots of comedy because everything seems to go wrong. (Yawn.) Hijinks ensue. Raffi & Seven proclaim their undying love. For each other, of course. No dry eye in the room.
S02E02: Divorce papers are filed.

 

[fireproof78]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wewent from nothing handholding and nowthey're tyig the knot? Actually, sounds just like Picard.

I can see it now, S02E01: Wedding ceremony. Lots of fanservice (VOY crewmembers attend). Lots of comedy because everything seems to go wrong. (Yawn.) Hijinks ensue. Raffi & Seven proclaim their undying love. For each other, of course. No dry eye in the room.
S02E02: Divorce papers are filed.

So, Hollywood.

Got it.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Michael Chabon's latest interview with Variety goes into much more detail about sexuality.

In “Stardust City Rag,” there’s an implication that Seven of Nine (Jeri Ryan) and Bjayzl (Necar Zadegan) might have been lovers at one time. Given the history of the LGBTQ characters in your body of work, I wondered why there weren’t any more sort of explicitly queer characters this season?

Well, the way that people’s identity is constructed with sexuality as a component of it, in my experience, it emerges in a much more organic [way], and not like wearing a t-shirt that says, you know, Queer Power — or the equivalent in the 24th century. We get to know these characters the way we get to know real people. It emerges in conversation when it would emerge in conversation. Like their parentage, for example. It’s really important to me who my parents were. I’m sure it was really important to you for shaping your identity. We don’t know anything about Jurati’s parents except that her father read paper books and she used to interrupt him. We don’t know anything about Raffi’s parents. We don’t know that much about Picard’s parents — even if you’ve watched “TNG.” In terms of the show, it just doesn’t come up.

Well, on “Star Trek: Discovery,” it was a very big deal that Lt. Stamets, the character played by Anthony Rapp, is gay. So I think there’s a certain subset of “Trek” fandom that was excited about seeing that perpetuate on “Picard.”

We’re doing it in a different way. We’re doing it in an organic way — what feels organic to me. It emerged in that scene between Bjayzl and Seven. I think it’s pretty explicit, but it’s explicit in a way that feels real. Bjayzl doesn’t say, “We were lovers.” She doesn’t say, “We were a couple,” or anything like that. She says, “We were incredibly close.” It felt, to me, natural. It felt like how somebody would talk about many years later, a relationship that was in the past.

And it will continue to emerge. I think it’s a part of our understanding of Raffi’s character. In Raffi’s scene where she calls into Starfleet to try to get access for them to the Artifact, and calls that old friend of hers, I mean, to me, the implication is there too in their relationship. But she doesn’t ever say, “I’m going to call this woman that I used to go out with,” and she doesn’t say, “Hey, remember me. I used to be your girlfriend.”​

That the first season of Picard ends with, among other things,

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a shot of Seven and Raffi holding hands and looking romantic over a game of kadis-kot (?), is indicative.

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I think that was Kal-toh. Kadis-kot was actually the first name that came to my mind when I saw it too, then I remembered Tuvok playing that game shown and I couldn't hear him saying that name in my head. Kadis kot was the game Seven played with Naomi.

 

[Greg Cox]

On a side-note: I never really cared for Chakotay, and the Seven-Chakotay-relationship on VOY came pretty much out of nowhere as well.

But I'm still a bit disappointed to see them having broken up. I'm really not a fan of the "suddenly-single-in-the-sequel"-syndrome (see also: Speed 2, and literally any other action movie where only one of the main characters appeared in the sequel).

I'm not sure twenty years later is "suddenly."

I'm perfectly happy to assume that they broke up amicably sometime over the last two decades, especially since they were never all that compelling a couple in the first place. I suspect that the number of viewers who were actually invested in that particular relationship number in the dozens at most.

 

[cooleddie74]

For all we know Chakotay met somebody else after returning to the Alpha Quadrant, got married and had a family. He could be living a quiet life somewhere telling his children about all of his adventures on Voyager.

And doing so woodenly.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not sure twenty years later is "suddenly."

It's definitely a long time

For all we know Chakotay met somebody else after returning to the Alpha Quadrant, got married and had a family. He could be living a quiet life somewhere telling his children about all of his adventures on Voyager.

And doing so woodenly.

I really want Chakotay to live next door to Riker.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Will, can I borrow a cup of sugar?"

"You know, we've lived next door to one another for years now and I don't even know your full name!"

 

[Tim Thomason]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wewent from nothing handholding and nowthey're tyig the knot? Actually, sounds just like Picard.

I can see it now, S02E01: Wedding ceremony. Lots of fanservice (VOY crewmembers attend). Lots of comedy because everything seems to go wrong. (Yawn.) Hijinks ensue. Raffi & Seven proclaim their undying love. For each other, of course. No dry eye in the room.
S02E02: Divorce papers are filed.

Opening scene of S2E01:

Captain Worf: "Romulan ale should be illegal."

Inexplicably alive Geordi: "It is."

New Chief of Starfleet Security Commodore Tuvok: "I'm placing you both under arrest."

 

[fireproof78]

New Chief of Starfleet Security Commodore Tuvok: "I'm placing you both under arrest."

Thank you.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I'm not sure twenty years later is "suddenly."

I'm perfectly happy to assume that they broke up amicably sometime over the last two decades, especially since they were never all that compelling a couple in the first place. I suspect that the number of viewers who were actually invested in that particular relationship number in the dozens at most.

How many times was Kirk suddenly single?

 

[Sidewinder]

Please do not take this the wrong way.

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I don't mind that they put Seven and Raffi in a relationship. I mind how they did it. It came out of nowhere, even moreso than Seven and Chakotay.

I saw them holding hands and I just went "Wait... What?" I never got a lesbian/bisexual vibe from Raffi and Seven was almost always an asexual character for the majority of Voyager.

It just seemed very forced. Almost like "Hey, I think I'll be homosexual today!"

Had they even hinted at it at all in previous episodes, I'd be fine with it. Instead, it came out of nowhere.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Please do not take this the wrong way.

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I don't mind that they put Seven and Raffi in a relationship. I mind how they did it. It came out of nowhere, even moreso than Seven and Chakotay.

I saw them holding hands and I just went "Wait... What?" I never got a lesbian/bisexual vibe from Raffi and Seven was almost always an asexual character for the majority of Voyager.

It just seemed very forced. Almost like "Hey, I think I'll be homosexual today!"

Had they even hinted at it at all in previous episodes, I'd be fine with it. Instead, it came out of nowhere.

How many bedrooms are on that ship?

Some of them had to share bunks.

Maybe there's more to this than sex, and maybe there's not.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Please do not take this the wrong way.

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I don't mind that they put Seven and Raffi in a relationship. I mind how they did it. It came out of nowhere, even moreso than Seven and Chakotay.

I saw them holding hands and I just went "Wait... What?" I never got a lesbian/bisexual vibe from Raffi and Seven was almost always an asexual character for the majority of Voyager.

It just seemed very forced. Almost like "Hey, I think I'll be homosexual today!"

Had they even hinted at it at all in previous episodes, I'd be fine with it. Instead, it came out of nowhere.

A board game and holding hands is hardly mailing out a wedding registry out of the blue. More like maybe they're just starting to feel each other out like real folks might.

 

[NCC-73515]

Inexplicably alive Geordi: "It is."

Most people had First Contact Day off, including him.

I never got a lesbian/bisexual vibe from Raffi and Seven was almost always an asexual character for the majority of Voyager.

We barely got to know any of the new characters, of course we know little about Raffi's sexuality. Seven wanted to do it with Harry, in public IIRC, to explore her humanity, and then experimented with crewmen and Chakotay. Doesn't mean she's hetero

 

[Gov Kodos]

We barely got to know any of the new characters, of course we know little about Raffi's sexuality. Seven wanted to do it with Harry, in public IIRC, to explore her humanity, and then experimented with crewmen and Chakotay. Doesn't mean she's hetero

And the Harry stuff was just her idea to get him focused on the work by getting past wanting sex. Ironic that it worked as well as it did for her but work it did.

The others were just from the Doc giving just male options and her own Borg based belief of utilitarian purpose for sex. She probably never thought of what she wanted until voyager got home and realized she'd been given a load of nonsense on Voyager when she saw all the options opened and got to feel and act for herself without the Doc and Janeway shadowing every choice she made.

 

[Khan Jr]

How many times was Kirk suddenly single?

None, really. He wasn't in a relationship during the time TOS covered (other than with Spock and Starfleet, and Kirk could never keep away from them).

 

[Gov Kodos]

None, really. He wasn't in a relationship during the time TOS covered (other than with Spock and Starfleet, and Kirk could never keep away from them).

We must have watched different shows.