I wonder where these new ships were built? They've obviously got a new shipyard to replace Utopia Planitia.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"
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They look similar to the Avenger class from STO, purpose built mid sized battle cruisers.
Could end up being something new, or we may never see them again and they are just placeholder models.
Hard to say for sure need to see the episode first.
Well, this is the former head of Starfleet Security who would know a lot of Starfleet's tricks, so I kind of don't think it was a bluff. Because a bluff risks Oh seeing through it, and she'd be among the most qualified to.
Riker sounded very eager to blow up Oh. Considering she's basically responsible for the death of his son, I'm surprised Starfleet allowed him to lead a battle in which he's extremely emotionally invested in, to put it mildly.
4/10
What was the point of 218 copy and paste warbirds? This narritively forces Starfleet to muster several hundred (?) ugly copy and paste ships at short notice, something Starfleet has never been good at...
One cloaky warbird (perhaps upgraded Scmitar class) would have been sufficient threat and much more dramatic. Would have loved to see Riker arrive on a single lovingly designed new ship class not the blocky thing they came up with. Who cares about the unexplained space orchid things??
All this ctrl-V reduced me to laughter and removed all tension.
Data stuff was fine, if a bit drawn out there. That being said, Geordi was Data's true friend on the Enterprise and I believe not mentioned in the series at all. Also Beverley Picard(?) was Picard's closest friend and confidant- also don't remember hearing about her.
At roughly this point in time Geordi was the captain of the USS Challenger- Galaxy class (in one Voyager future timeline episode anyway).
Side point- we can sadly now add star trek to the expanding list of franchises where 500m size objects in orbit, ~100 km from surface, are visible to the naked eye
(the others being Star trek and Marvel)
On the plus side I liked seven's reflection that she should try to kill less people. It's also a big plus that the whole thing was resolved non violently- especially after having been violence all the way so far in this series.
What was the point of 218 copy and paste warbirds? This narritively forces Starfleet to muster several hundred (?) ugly copy and paste ships at short notice, something Starfleet has never been good at...
One cloaky warbird (perhaps upgraded Scmitar class) would have been sufficient threat and much more dramatic. Would have loved to see Riker arrive on a single lovingly designed new ship class not the blocky thing they came up with. Who cares about the unexplained space orchid things??
All this ctrl-V reduced me to laughter and removed all tension.
Data stuff was fine, if a bit drawn out there. That being said, Geordi was Data's true friend on the Enterprise and I believe not mentioned in the series at all. Also Beverley Picard(?) was Picard's closest friend and confidant- also don't remember hearing about her.
At roughly this point in time Geordi was the captain of the USS Challenger- Galaxy class (in one Voyager future timeline episode anyway).
Side point- we can sadly now add star trek to the expanding list of franchises where 500m size objects in orbit, ~100 km from surface, are visible to the naked eye
(the others being Star trek and Marvel)On the plus side I liked seven's reflection that she should try to kill less people. It's also a big plus that the whole thing was resolved non violently- especially after having been violence all the way so far in this series.
Was it mentioned in dialogue that the ships were new? If not, they could have been built at Utopia Planitia in 2380 for all we know.
Starfleet has several shipyards, UP was probably just the biggest.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Federation_shipyards
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Utopia Planetia Shipyards is just one of many construction facilities that Starfleet would have at any one time, they would be scattered throughout the Federation with the largest ones probably near member worlds.
My assumption was that it was bacause they didn't have scans of his positronic brain, just the memories uploaded into B4. They could run the memories in a simulation, but couldn't rebuild Data's brain. Picard, on the other hand, had his brain intact and they explicitly did a complete scan of it. The golem's brain is a 1:1 copy of Picard's, with just one minor change.
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I haven't seen the episode yet does the Commodore survive?
If it was me in Riker's place and I knew that a Romulan spy who was head of Starfleet Security was on that ship I would have blown it to kingdom come, she knows far too much to be allowed to live, not to mention payback for Mars.
Lore.
Lore isn't Data. Putting Data's memories in his brain would just give them Lore with Data's memories, and Lore was an insane mass murderer. Lore's emotional instability was a fundamental flaw in the design of his positronic matrix, which is the entire reason Soong designed Data without emotions.
Yes she did. I imagine Starfleet Intelligence is now scrambling to recall every spy, reconfigure every surveillance technique, and change all their passcodes.
Does Picard eventually find and free Moriarty from his "Massively Complex Quantum Simulation"/prison?
Be careful what you assume... <insert trite ass of u and me aphorism> especially about someone's orientation. I don't want anyone with torches coming for you - especially since I don't think we have worked out the protocol of torches and social distancing
Maybe those Elon Musk flamethrowers will do the trick? Best long distance torches on the market today.
I like the idea of Seven and Raffi and can totally buy these two together, but I really would have liked to see more buildup. (Heck, there's plenty of time for that in season 2,) Of course, maybe that will be a fling in the past once season 2 begins, so who knows.
Then again, even though we saw far more buildup with Rios and Jurati, I still don't know how they went from friendly casual/ comfort sex to "probably totes love of my life"...
As for the episode, still processing and will probably watch it again before I share mythoughts. Much better than the previous one, which was the worst of the season for me.
But whoever wrote that Agnes will turn herself in on DS12... I'd bet good money against that. Murder someone, save someone... it's all good now. Totally evens out. And her friends say she was basically not responsible, and they know best.
And who knows, maybe we haven't seen the last of Narek Lannister either. Maybe he's escaped, smuggled himself oboard the Sirena and voila...
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I get the cost savings for recycling the same CGI, but it's a little suspension of belief breaking that the giant fleet is made up of all the same class of ships, especially since it's the newest, most advance class in Starfleet.
I'm wondering if the Golem was brought in after the show was renewed. Picard giving his life for the synths seemed the logical conclusion to the series, a parralel to Data doing the same. Of course now we have USS Picard - A for season 2 and beyond....
The Romulans were certainly short changed here. They unfortunately were relegated to generic bad guy fleet - which, I'm still like, wtf how did a super secret cabal inside the Tal Shiar end up with a gigantic fleet of new ships AFTER the Dominion war, the Remus rebellion, and the supernova turning the empire into a shadow of itself?
The EXB were short changed too. 7 being their only rep.
I'm hoping season 2 (and beyond) will be Picard's quest for redemption with the Romulans/Borg since he got his synth redemption here.
I kinda love after how rejecting Picard when he asked for a single ship and small crew the CnC gave Riker a (fucking) giant ass fleet when he asked to come out of retirement .
These final battles are too busy. Here and Disco. Too much jam packed in each frame. I'm not a fan.
All in all, IMO Picard started off extremely strong and then gradually fell apart as the season went on. I still enjoyed it, but I have to wonder if some of the rumours of interference after the first few episodes were filmed were true.
I'm wondering if the Golem was brought in after the show was renewed. Picard giving his life for the synths seemed the logical conclusion to the series, a parralel to Data doing the same. Of course now we have USS Picard - A for season 2 and beyond....
The Romulans were certainly short changed here. They unfortunately were relegated to generic bad guy fleet - which, I'm still like, wtf how did a super secret cabal inside the Tal Shiar end up with a gigantic fleet of new ships AFTER the Dominion war, the Remus rebellion, and the supernova turning the empire into a shadow of itself?
The EXB were short changed too. 7 being their only rep.
I'm hoping season 2 (and beyond) will be Picard's quest for redemption with the Romulans/Borg since he got his synth redemption here.
I kinda love after how rejecting Picard when he asked for a single ship and small crew the CnC gave Riker a (fucking) giant ass fleet when he asked to come out of retirement .
These final battles are too busy. Here and Disco. Too much jam packed in each frame. I'm not a fan.
All in all, IMO Picard started off extremely strong and then gradually fell apart as the season went on. I still enjoyed it, but I have to wonder if some of the rumours of interference after the first few episodes were filmed were true.
Oh, this episode was so bad. What was the point of the sky threat? Why can't they open their own portal since they now know that there are synths and the synths want them to come? Wouldn't they assume that the synths wanted them to come but an emergency happened that closed the portal? The oversynths would have even more reason to come and investigate.
What is the point in anything if they have the magic make-your-wish-come-true machine now?
Picard is now dead and we have a copy of him walking around.
Data already died. What was the point of killing him again? Why can't they just plug those red cards back in and bring him back? Why couldn't they just upload Data's mind into any one of the androids and bring him back?
Nothing makes sense in this show!
What is the point in anything if they have the magic make-your-wish-come-true machine now?
Picard is now dead and we have a copy of him walking around.
Data already died. What was the point of killing him again? Why can't they just plug those red cards back in and bring him back? Why couldn't they just upload Data's mind into any one of the androids and bring him back?
Nothing makes sense in this show!
Agree this is terribly tiresome, but I've accepted this is just the way it is these days. I was shocked Chabon et al got away with as little pew pew pew as they did.
I like the space orchids as an idea, but I'm not sure why the desert planet of Synths has them.
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In a Navy battlegroup, every ship fills a role, and ships are designed with those roles in mind. But the Federation prefers generalist ships. When they put together a fleet of multiple different classes, that's not because each ship serves a different vial role in the battlegroup, it's because that's what they could put together in the time they had with the ships on hand.
Furthermore, Trek tech favors big powerful ships. In a Naval fleet, you have destroyers to screen carriers and cruisers. But big Trek ships don't need smaller ships to screen them. Phasers can track and hit small targets just fine and small ships don't usually have enough firepower to destroy big ones.
I gave this episode an 8. A bit anti climatic and too easy a resolution for something that was made to feel so complex.
Picard's resurrection was telegraphed in the previous episode so that was expected (I did previously mention a "What little girls are made of" feel to the Soong/Jurati scene in part 1). Soong's changing sides came too easy - there was no conviction or even inner conflict on his part. Soji's conflict was understandable yet her falling in line with the synthetics to commit genocide was an abrupt swing and then her swing back all while the rest of them are treated as sheep.
So I guess 7 of 9 and Raffi are an item?
Still a good season and fun ride. Overall I give the season 1 experience an "8."
Picard's resurrection was telegraphed in the previous episode so that was expected (I did previously mention a "What little girls are made of" feel to the Soong/Jurati scene in part 1). Soong's changing sides came too easy - there was no conviction or even inner conflict on his part. Soji's conflict was understandable yet her falling in line with the synthetics to commit genocide was an abrupt swing and then her swing back all while the rest of them are treated as sheep.
So I guess 7 of 9 and Raffi are an item?
Still a good season and fun ride. Overall I give the season 1 experience an "8."
