Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

[TheMadCloner]

I found it a little too preachy.

The show has never managed to really recapture the chemistry between Winn and Kara, and while Brainy is a good character in his own right, it's just not the same. And Dreamer is just kind of there. The show is at its best when it focuses on the strong character interactions between the Danvers sisters and a strong supporting duo around them (it used to be J'onn and Winn).

 

[Guy Gardener]

What I found hilarious was the reason that the Transphobe was targeting Dreamer.

He jerked off to her pictures online.

Then got angry about regretting how much he enjoyed the orgasm, or more probably, weeks of orgasms, after she identified as trans to the public.

Self-loathing idiot.

 

[thribs]

It was not said that the guy has killed any trans people so to want him dead seemed a bit of a exaggeration. Hurt him perhaps, but not death.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It was not said that the guy has killed any trans people so to want him dead seemed a bit of a exaggeration. Hurt him perhaps, but not death.

Dreamer could be Magneto.

A holocaust survivor who takes no shit from racist bigots.

The villain here was small fries.

But that was the point, by making the villain ordinary, the story is comparable to the real world, rather than an outlandish allegory where aliens are stand-ins for immigrants.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It was not said that the guy has killed any trans people so to want him dead seemed a bit of a exaggeration. Hurt him perhaps, but not death.

Probably giving a voice to the showrunners' true feelings..

 

[Guy Gardener]

Probably giving a voice to the showrunners' true feelings..

I saw exactly the same thing play out in something else a few days ago... I cannot for the life of me remember what dang show this was, It was where the preachy hero says "don't shoot this guy even though you feel like you're completely entitled to do so... " BANG!

"Don't worry, I shot him in the spleen, he'll live, unless he bleeds out or gets an infection."

I watch too much tv.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Episodes like this are why the ratings of this show are where they are. Preachy, woke, completely unnecessary, kept the title character on the sidelines, and irrelevant to the season arc. Plus, the people who watch Supergirl don't need the lesson from the soapbox. Hopefully now that they got this out of the way, they can do a better episode next week.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Seriously? They killed Dean Cain? I know the actor is a bit mad these days but that just seemed unnecessary.
They could always get Superman to replace Supergirl. Might give the show a rating boost.

Not this version. It's good Superman is getting his own series, hopefully with different writers. It doesn't shock me that they did that to Dean Cain's character, though he is not "a bit mad."

 

[jbny67]

I saw exactly the same thing play out in something else a few days ago... I cannot for the life of me remember what dang show this was, It was where the preachy hero says "don't shoot this guy even though you feel like you're completely entitled to do so... " BANG!

"Don't worry, I shot him in the spleen, he'll live, unless he bleeds out or gets an infection."

I watch too much tv.

That was the last episode of Black Lightning.

 

[Christopher]

I found it a little too preachy.

That's right in Supergirl's wheelhouse. At least it was about a real and relevant social issue again instead of this misguided fear-of-technology kick they've been on.

However, I did find it implausible for Kara to say she couldn't understand what Nia's going through when she's a (semi-)closeted alien and the whole last season was about her community being targeted by a hate group.

And I guess the whole issue of Al having a doppelganger vs. Batwoman and The Flash both saying that doppelgangers would die has been quietly swept under the rug. I guess we can assume Al 2 didn't make it.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I saw exactly the same thing play out in something else a few days ago... I cannot for the life of me remember what dang show this was, It was where the preachy hero says "don't shoot this guy even though you feel like you're completely entitled to do so... " BANG!

"Don't worry, I shot him in the spleen, he'll live, unless he bleeds out or gets an infection."

I watch too much tv.

Not even remotely similar; Khalil never intended to kill him--he knew exactly where to wound Odell, since the point of his arc was overcoming the murderous Painkiller programming. On the other hand, Nia was attempting to kill the man and had to be talked down by SG, then threatened him in a way that suggests she would essentially wait for his release from prison and watch. She did not promise to send him back to jail. No, she was threatening to finish what she started if he assaults another one her community.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

According to TVline, 5x15 was steady with 663K/0.2 in the demo. So whatever a millenial epsiode or an episode addressing the serious subject of (and condemning) transphobia, the counters remain blocked. It seems that the divorce is consummated between the show and its fans.

As for my part, I didn't like seeing Nia playing the role of the angel of death - even if she didn't kill the guy - she was not only ready to do it but she would have done it if Supergirl did not intervene in time.
Anger and rage must not justify violence. Not when she presents herself as a heroine (a hero doesn't kill. He or s she sends bad guys in jail).

 

[TheMadCloner]

That's right in Supergirl's wheelhouse. At least it was about a real and relevant social issue again instead of this misguided fear-of-technology kick they've been on.

However, I did find it implausible for Kara to say she couldn't understand what Nia's going through when she's a (semi-)closeted alien and the whole last season was about her community being targeted by a hate group.

And I guess the whole issue of Al having a doppelganger vs. Batwoman and The Flash both saying that doppelgangers would die has been quietly swept under the rug. I guess we can assume Al 2 didn't make it.

I thought it was preachy even for SG standards. There were some speeches in the episode that would put some of Picard’s most preachy speeches to shame.

 

[TheMadCloner]

According to TVline, 5x15 was steady with 663K/0.2 in the demo. So whatever a millenial epsiode or an episode addressing the serious subject of (and condemning) transphobia, the counters remain blocked. It seems that the divorce is consummated between the show and its fans.

As for my part, I didn't like seeing Nia playing the role of the angel of death - even if she didn't kill the guy - she was not only ready to do it but she would have done it if Supergirl did not intervene in time.
Anger and rage must not justify violence. Not when she presents herself as a heroine (a hero doesn't kill. He or s she sends bad guys in jail).

I’ve read that the CW doesn’t care for live episode ratings as much because they’re the first network that makes more on ad revenue from their next day streaming than they do from their live broadcasts. And in that regard apparently SG is still a Top 3 show for them after everything is said and done.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I thought it was preachy even for SG standards. There were some speeches in the episode that would put some of Picard’s most preachy speeches to shame.

...and that's pretty bad, considering how looking-down-his-nose-at-you many of Picard's speeches were.

 

[TheMadCloner]

...and that's pretty bad, considering how looking-down-his-nose-at-you many of Picard's speeches were.

I'm all for thematic messaging, but it's a little much when it's presented like a sledgehammer to your face, multiple times.

 

[Christopher]

I'm all for thematic messaging, but it's a little much when it's presented like a sledgehammer to your face, multiple times.

If you have the luxury of talking about a little lecturing as if it were a violent assault, then you're privileged. Trans people have to face genuine violence and murder on a regular basis. Our feelings about preachy TV writing are trivial in comparison.

 

[TheMadCloner]

If you have the luxury of talking about a little lecturing as if it were a violent assault, then you're privileged. Trans people have to face genuine violence and murder on a regular basis. Our feelings about preachy TV writing are trivial in comparison.

Don't lecture me.

I won't pretend to completely understand what facing violence on a regular basis is like, because I'm not in that situation, but I can sympathize with them.

Don't misinterpret my dissatisfaction about a episode of a TV show on a message board to equate to indifference about violence against a minority group in society. That's unfair and needlessly argumentative.

 

[Christopher]

I wasn't accusing you of indifference, just saying that a little preachiness in TV isn't worth making a fuss over. If anything, we could use more of it. Too many TV shows these days are fixated exclusively on serial plot twists and character development, and stories with actual themes and messages are rarer than they used to be.

 

[TheMadCloner]

I wasn't accusing you of indifference, just saying that a little preachiness in TV isn't worth making a fuss over. If anything, we could use more of it. Too many TV shows these days are fixated exclusively on serial plot twists and character development, and stories with actual themes and messages are rarer than they used to be.

The reason why I watch Supergirl is not only because I'm a fan of the comics, but also because I like the messages the show communicates. Believe me, you're preaching (pun intended) to the choir here.

But I also like my television writing to be somewhat more subtle, to make the viewer think and reconsider their perspectives. That's more a preference in terms of writing style, not on the types of stories. I don't consider a few posts on a message board making a fuss about it. It's the whole reason message boards exist, to communicate opinions and exchange ideas.