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Spot261 said:
For some reason the immune response to COVID 19 seems to be very transient and that means there's a genuine concern that a second or even third dose could be increasingly potent.
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Thank you for sharing that. I wasn't aware of this; the last thing I read on the subject had said that after you had contracted it once, the antibodies in your blood would prevent you from contracting it again. I guess this shows how rapidly things are changing as we learn more about it.

This is actually kind of terrifying, though. The narrative has been that at least if you contract a mild case, you will be in the clear afterwards. This seems to throw that out the window. Is it possible to even achieve a "herd immunity" over time if you can contract the same thing multiple times?
 
Germany is closing down the borders to Austria, Switzerland, France, Luxembourg and Denmark to everybody but commuters and goods traffic, starting tomorrow at 8.00 local time.
 
Forget about toilet paper. The Netherlands are closing their sex shops and coffee shops. People are queuing for weed now:

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Winterwind said:
I wouldn't think there's any difference between touching cash and touching a debit terminal.

My concern is the economic impact, globally and individually. A lot of people are are, or will be, out of work either temporarily or long term.

I've heard some activists and politicians calling for a suspension of rent and mortgage payments and saw a quote on CBC News about Trudeau saying he doesn't want Canadians to worry about money, rent, etc, but... what is actually going to be done?
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So if some one doesn't pay their rent to the owner of the building, then how does the owner of the building pay the mortgage company? How does that work out long term? That's scary.
I still think it's silly.
It seems a lot of the public in Mexico are not concerned in the slightest. Seems odd. People just a short distance from pandimonium, and they are calm and alive.
My brother lives part of the year there, he says there is no shortage of toilet paper.
My best friend who is from Mexico says that her relatives are just saying it is 'just winter virus' jut like every year.
 
Miss Lemon said:
Forget about toilet paper. The Netherlands are closing their sex shops and coffee shops. People are queuing for weed now:

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They close coffe shops but not pot shops???
Unless 'coffee shop' is some sort of code for something which is not coffee.
 
Spot261 said:
People should be wearing gloves rathr than face masks:shrug:

But yeah, all surfaces should be regularly sanitied.
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Quite true. In fact, my wife and I wore gloves yesterday when shopping. Leather gloves aren't exactly sterile but I'd rather be wearing a glove when opening a door. And we all have that natural, almost unconcious tendency to touch parts of our faces so... glove to open doors, remove glove to scratch nose...

My wife's work is supposed to start allowing people to work from home and I'd be happy if they do. We both take public transit. I'm self-employed and largely work from home but she works for an accounting firm downtown and I'd much rather she be home and not riding a bus twice a day.
 
Winterwind said:
Quite true. In fact, my wife and I were gloves yesterday when shopping. Leather gloves are exactly sterile but I'd rather be wearing a glove when opening a door. And we all have that natural, almost unconcious tendency to touch part of our faces so... glove to open doors, remove glove to scratch nose...

My wife's work is supposed to start allowing people to work from home and I'd be happy if they do. We both take public transit. I'm self-employed but she works for an accounting firm downtown and I'd much rather she be home and not riding a bus twice a day.
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I get to work from home but they closed one of the places where I fence through the end of the month.
I'm still up
In the air about going to fence at the other place where I fence.
I think I'm getting sort of worried about going there now.
What about all of the people that work at the grocery stores? :sigh: :shrug:
We all want to go and try to buy Toilet Paper at the very least. But there are some of us that need to buy food periodically too.
 
Nakita Akita said:
It seems a lot of the public in Mexico are not concerned in the slightest. Seems odd. People just a short distance from pandimonium, and they are calm and alive.
My brother lives part of the year there, he says there is no shortage of toilet paper.
My best friend who is from Mexico says that her relatives are just saying it is 'just winter virus' jut like every year.
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Probably because AMLO has been irresponsibly downplaying the risk involved.

From an LA Times article:

As recently as a week ago, Mexican President López Obrador urged citizens not to abandon greeting customs, including hugging and kissing on the cheek.

“You have to hug, nothing is going to happen,” the president said.

Video circulating on social media on Saturday showed the president embracing and kissing well-wishers at a rally.

The president has repeatedly urged people not to “panic” and called on the press to avoid “yellow journalism” by exaggerating the threat and generating “a collective psychosis of fear.” López Obrador has accused political “adversaries” of being behind criticism of his approach.
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Source: https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...-gear-up-for-next-phase-of-coronavirus-threat

If you read the article, you will see that he is also correctly being called out by others for his downplaying of the danger. And the article also mentions that Mexico is just starting to escalate their response, including encouraging social distancing, closing schools, and closing football stadiums to fans. Perhaps these increased measures will help the populace to realize that they should possibly be a little more concerned.

Hopefully it's not too little too late. Mexico's official number of cases is low right now, but if there is significant undetected community spread, there is the possibility that their health care system could become overloaded, just like Italy's.
 
I read this passage in an article in the National Post. I felt it was very well put, and thought that it would be appropriate to post here, based on some of the discussion that has gone on to date.

Calum Marsh said:
There is a threshold over which confidence starts to look like arrogance, beyond which a blithe and cavalier attitude begins to look foolish and reckless. The world needs level heads, but what it also needs is prudence and caution, wariness of danger and good judgment in the face of imminent catastrophe. Going about our lives as if nothing were the matter — proceeding as if we were immune to infection, refusing to adopt the range of precautionary measures that have been urged upon us by health care professionals and experts in disease prevention — is also a kind of denial, which may be even more dangerous than panic.
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Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/so-did-the-coronavirus-cancel-social-life
 
Delta Vega said:
Did dudes not wipe their fucking arses before COVID-19 ?
Won't be long before some poor soul gets shot while fighting over the last 12 pack of roll
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Well... there was a fight in a grocery store in Toronto, with no shots fired, but the one person did have a gun so employees wrestled him to the ground.

I will never understand panic buying and hysteria. Sure, you want to stock up, I get it. But we couldn't even do our bi-weekly grocery shop because the stores were just insane this weekend.

Panic buying, mass hysteria... I just don't get it. The only answer I have to the cause of it would be... a decidedly cynical estimate of our collective intelligence as a species.
 
Bavaria has switched to emergency mode today.
As from today, all schools, kindergartens, universities etc are closed until after the Easter vacations. Military and technical reserve personel can be used for medical purposes or to provide vital services.
As from tomorrow, all cinemas, theatres, libraries, sports stadiums and other recreational places will be closed.
As from Wednesday, all shops will be closed except for food/groceries, drugstores, post offices, apothecaries and DIYs. They get extended opening hours to 'dilute' the customer stream. Restaurants may open between 6 am and 3 pm but only 30 guests at a time are permitted and they must kep a distance of 1,5 m. After 3 pm the restaurants may only sell takeaway food.
Due to the deminished demand, public transport may cancel a few connections but that will be decided individually, on a local level. In my town the buses run normal, the overland buses and trains run by school holiday schedule.
The staff of the closed kindergartens and other town-run facilities will be used to provide a shopping service for elderly and disabled people. The local Turkish soccer club has already volunteered to assist them.

My own preparations for a possible quarantine consist in dropping in at the book store tonight and getting myself some brainfood to last me a few days. :D
 
rhubarbodendron said:
Bavaria has switched to emergency mode today.
As from today, all schools, kindergartens, universities etc are closed until after the Easter vacations. Military and technical reserve personel can be used for medical purposes or to provide vital services.
As from tomorrow, all cinemas, theatres, libraries, sports stadiums and other recreational places will be closed.
As from Wednesday, all shops will be closed except for food/groceries, drugstores, post offices, apothecaries and DIYs. They get extended opening hours to 'dilute' the customer stream. Restaurants may open between 6 am and 3 pm but only 30 guests at a time are permitted and they must kep a distance of 1,5 m. After 3 pm the restaurants may only sell takeaway food.
Due to the deminished demand, public transport may cancel a few connections but that will be decided individually, on a local level. In my town the buses run normal, the overland buses and trains run by school holiday schedule.
The staff of the closed kindergartens and other town-run facilities will be used to provide a shopping service for elderly and disabled people. The local Turkish soccer club has already volunteered to assist them.

My own preparations for a possible quarantine consist in dropping in at the book store tonight and getting myself some brainfood to last me a few days. :D
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That's happened in the USA.
I'm shocked that the government can tell private companies to close their doors.
I mean in the USA. I'm unfamiliar with how other countries operate.
But in the USA, I find this shocking.
 
I'm not sure anybody's ever tried to fight out the constitutionality of such orders. It happens very infrequently.
 
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