Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

[Campe]

Which fans? You?

Why not the TOS fans who thought Next Gen wasn't real Trek? Or the Next Gen fans who thought DS9 was fake Trek? Or the people who hated Enterprise??

Why is your opinion more valid than those who said the same things decades before?

Is that James Dixon? Please tell me that's James Dixon!

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Same here. I mean no offense to any fan but I sit back and think "Is there truly a lack of awareness that his has all happened before?" It boggles my mind...

Technically, we should be better. When GR was tinkering with things in the 70s, we couldn't stream all the episodes or do web searches to check our math. We didn't have access to the notes and testimonies of everyone who worked on and, in some cases, contributed more to Star Trek than GR.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Is that James Dixon? Please tell me that's James Dixon!

It was indeed

Perhaps the most extreme example out there, but for the OP to think JJ's movies are some sort of True Trek/Fake Trek cutoff point, they clearly haven't spent much time around Trekkies.

 

[cooleddie74]

"ENT doesn't care about canon!"

Yeah, we've been to this rodeo before and it was just as annoying in 2001 as it is now. Trek never gets a break from the Truefans.

 

[Campe]

It was indeed

Perhaps the most extreme example out there, but for the OP to think JJ's movies are some sort of True Trek/Fake Trek cutoff point, they clearly haven't spent much time around Trekkies.

He was an interesting guy for sure. I remember him when he was a poster here back in the day. There were some very perplexing discussions at that time.

 

[fireproof78]

Technically, we should be better. When GR was tinkering with things in the 70s, we couldn't stream all the episodes or do web searches to check our math. We didn't have access to the notes and testimonies of everyone who worked on and, in some cases, contributed more to Star Trek than GR.

We should, dare I say, evolve?

 

[Racefuel]

I mean...for OP clearly everything after 2005 isn't "Star Trek", and that's true...but only for him.

One person, unless specifically authorized, only speaks for one person. Any attempt by anyone to say "but true fans" or "real fans" or "the vast majority" is simply dishonest and attempting to add heft and authority to their statement by means of trying to assume the power of the majority.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We should, dare I say, evolve?

NO! Stagnation is the only way to remain pure!!!!!

 

[Campe]

I mean...for OP clearly everything after 2005 isn't "Star Trek", and that's true...but only for him.

One person, unless specifically authorized, only speaks for one person. Any attempt by anyone to say "but true fans" or "real fans" or "the vast majority" is simply dishonest and attempting to add heft and authority to their statement by means of trying to assume the power of the majority.

But apparently, according to OP, there are "lots" of them. "Half" I believe. I ask the OP to show me proof.

 

[Greg Cox]

I realized this when i saw some best TOS episodes list with Amok Time or Balance of Terror above City on the Edge of Forever that i consider the best by far and is much more TNGish

Well, there it is: if you define "best" as the most "TNG-ish," then, yeah, any Trek that isn't TNG is going to suffer by comparison.

But here's the thing: TNG, as great as it could be at its best, is just one out of eight STAR TREK shows. It is not the gold standard to which all other Treks, past and present, must be compared. It's just one flavor out of many.

STAR TREK is bigger than just TNG.

 

[Raptor_Fawr]

I have yet to see Picard, but boy this thread remebered me how people disliked TNG even before it came out, they hated the idea of Patrick Stewart as a captain, or any kind of recast in general.

When TNG ended, they hated Deep Space Nine and they said it wasn't real Trek.

And guess what? TNG and DS9 are the most loved star trek series, and Picard is always over Kirk on polls.
Not to mention that Sisko quite often comes over Picard as well.

New Trek not only is still Trek, but once people adjusted to it they feel like it's better than the previous ones.


So yeah, your opinion is not special nor unique, but anyway it's a bad opinion.

Not wrong, everyone can like what he wants, but if you feel like this then you will feel bad forever

 

[Greg Cox]

That's why you now see all that official propaganda talking about the " failed TNG movies", the so bad and boring TMP, etc while its in Kirk and Spock fightning with some spears where the glorious Star Trek past belongs.

That's not "official propaganda." That's just Trekkies arguing among ourselves as we've always done.

For the record, I remember the "Star Trek: The Motionless Picture" joke doing the rounds in fandom within days or weeks of the movie opening back in 1979. That's not revisionism or propaganda; that's history I lived through. (See also "Where NOMAD Gone Before.")

And I also remember some folks complaining, three years later, that KHAN sacrificed TMP'S "cerebral" vision for shoot-em-up space opera action . . . in terms that sound very similar to some of today's "true fans" complaining that the modern stuff is all "pew-pew" and special effects.

The more things change . . . .

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Official propaganda? Is it just me, or do fans begin to sound like weird conspiracy/ truther people?

 

[Aragorn]

He was an interesting guy for sure. I remember him when he was a poster here back in the day. There were some very perplexing discussions at that time.

Name sounds familiar but I can't remember anything about him. The only Enterprise extremist I remember was someone who hate-watched every single episode to tell us how right he was.

 

[ITDUDE]

Official propaganda? Is it just me, or do fans begin to sound like weird conspiracy/ truther people?

Some do...

 

[Sir Stewart Wallace]

Name sounds familiar but I can't remember anything about him. The only Enterprise extremist I remember was someone who hate-watched every single episode to tell us how right he was.

James Dixon is the keeper of the true Star Trek timeline. The Okudas and their soulless minions of orthodoxy can rot in hell!

 

[fireproof78]

Official propaganda? Is it just me, or do fans begin to sound like weird conspiracy/ truther people?

I mean, I didn't want to say anything...

 

[Aragorn]

Official propaganda? Is it just me, or do fans begin to sound like weird conspiracy/ truther people?

The only people who like Picard and Discovery also believe the earth is round, vaccines are safe and Australia is real!

 

[Campe]

Name sounds familiar but I can't remember anything about him. The only Enterprise extremist I remember was someone who hate-watched every single episode to tell us how right he was.

Oh, just do a Google search on him. You'll find a man who took his Trek seriously. Maybe too seriously. Really puts these modern YT and Facebook commentators to shame.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Is that James Dixon? Please tell me that's James Dixon!

I remember that guy. Don't miss him, but I remember him.