Alec Peters can't
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek
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Oh snap lolAlec Peters can't
I want to know what is real Star Trek because I've seen this argument multiple times in the last week and it feels like it comes back to "what I don't like." Peters started it out with saying Abrams' Trek was not real Trek and his film was what the fans really wanted.
It's the same old song. Instead of allowing the Trek virtue of IDIC truly apply there is the demand for it to satisfy some bar that is so nebulous it might as well be made out of Jell-O, yet treated hard and fast.
And i dont know why he accepted to do that. This last episode is so bad... It could fit in another series, some space future gangs series. 7 of 9 made more impact with a single smile during her recover of humanity than firing and vaporizing people. I just want to forget that entire episode as soon as possible and maybe return to watch the series when Riker and Troi appear just for the nostalgia.
I don't understand how you can praise DS9 yet condemn Picard because the same themes in DS9 are present in Picard as well. Corrupt Federation officers/officials, terrorism, morally grey choices, necessary evils, etc. Humanity was not portrayed as unambiguously good in DS9, if anything it was portrayed as fundamentally flawed and only able to overcome that with technology.
Deal. Soon as you stop trying to convince us that they're not.
Or at the very least, it's standing in the shadows of love.
Which fans wanted it? Half of the old fans hate Kelvin timeline movies, i remember even Into Darkness has been voted the worst ST movies a lot of times in convention polls.
I really doubt that fans wanted to see things like the platform Sulu vs Ninjas fight, the pathetic giant Kirk hand or the laughable plot holes like how Kirk is sent in a pod directly to the same planet where old Spock is. And no mention to some horrible scenes in ST: ID or Beyond like when the bad guy tests the "weapon" against one crew member or when CGI Khan fires like Terminator against everyone in the Klingon world. Yeah that's very loyal to the old Trek hahahah
So. Much. Yawn.
The same series that shows the Federation abandoning colonists, willing to let people die, and being bigoted against Romulans.
With due respect we do not get decide who are fans. Because, I'm a fan, my dad is a long time fan and my brother is a fan, starting TOS and VOY respectively. We all love the Kelvin films. And, my wife, who is not a Star Trek fan, enjoyed it. I love that.
And, yes it is. It is that action/adventure thing that many ignore from the TOS days. Sorry, but that's the case.
Yes, all of that was terrible. But what does it have to do with Picard, which seems to be completely different sort of story?
Deep Space Nine was totally different to Picard in style. Ofc It was darker and less optimistic with the Federation than TNG or VOY but the ways it portrays the different races , religion, friendship , the determination by the Starfleet to defend its paradise is very Trek. But i must admitt when i began to watch it i didnt like it.
It has action, which, we all know, is eveel in the sight of Star Trek.
Modern Trek is eveel, especially when it does things that old Trek did but in a contemporary way.
Picard has not conspired to murder anyone nor has he virus bombed civilians. This indeed is a different sort of show and I for one am glad about that!
Barely even halfway through. I think that's a new record for the "Not Real Trek" crowd that hates it yet insists upon talking about it.This is Picard's first season!
And the Federation fought to defend it's paradise in Picard when that was threatened by the possibility of the Federation at least partially breaking up and elected to make a hard choice for the "greater good" of the Federation by abandoning the Romulan rescue effort.
There's fundamentally nothing different between the Federation of 2375-2377 in DS9 and the Federation of 2399 in Picard except the banning of synths.
If you look at the portrayal of the Federation/Earth in Picard you'll see it's fundamentally the same. What is being shown in Picard is the uncomfortable reality of the future either outside the Federation or on worlds the Federation has abandoned (which happened in TNG/DS9 as well).
Because there is a big fracture between the fans that enjoyed the simplicity of TOS with its action and adventure and the 90s generation fans that are more on the TNG era. I realized this when i saw some best TOS episodes list with Amok Time or Balance of Terror above City on the Edge of Forever that i consider the best by far and is much more TNGish
Well put.
That's completely understandable and of course there will be a difference in fans. That's, dare I say it, diversity of thought. So, why not apply IDIC and recognize that not all Trek is for everyone instead of declaring it "Not Really Trek!!!!!" (copyright pending) and insulting those who work hard to produce it?
Yeah i tought It was by the 3rd episode. Interesting story besides some points and Picard was finally back to stars with some interesting characters around. But things went wrong when that stop in the Planet with the Romulans and mainly with the last episode.
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