Spoilers On Seven and sexuality

[rfmcdpei]

I know that I am not alone in reading, in the particular intensity of the exchanges between Seven of Nine and Bjayzl in "Stardust City Rag", hints of a past intimate relationship. It would have been nice, to be sure, if they had come out and said what they were hinting at; but then, they were not covering up much.

A canonically queer Seven of Nine would be huge news. I never read the Seven/Janeway relationship through a slash lens; that relationship seemed much more maternal to me than anything else. In any event, I did not and do not think it likely that an adult Janeway would want to take advantage of a younger and much more vulnerable Seven.

All that said, I do think that Seven not being straight might indeed work. The Borg Collective us hugely flawed, but homophobia likely does not tank as one of those issues. Whatever Seven's orientation, I do not see her as likely to be any more intimidated or inhibited re: a same-sex relationship than an opposite-sex one. She certainly would not stand for others intimidating her.

(If Seven had in Bjayzl a horrid ex, well, Picard technically can claim the Borg Queen. We can all be unlucky.)

Thoughts? Are there any bits from Voyager that you think might support a non-heterosexual Seven of Nine? What did you think it the episode? Where would you like this to be taken in the future?

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think they spelled it out as much as they needed to for this episode's purposes. It could be something we see more of in return appearances by Seven, but I could also see her as having been burnt by that relationship so badly that she might have long-term intimacy issues.

 

[Tuskin38]

I honestly didn't get the impression that they were a couple, but just close friends.

 

[rfmcdpei]

I honestly didn't get the impression that they were a couple, but just close friends.

I read it as "friends", FWIW.

I think they spelled it out as much as they needed to for this episode's purposes. It could be something we see more of in return appearances by Seven, but I could also see her as having been burnt by that relationship so badly that she might have long-term intimacy issues.

Quite. Her sexuality is not likely to form a major part of an arc, but as background ... ?

 

[cosmic mouse]

I honestly didn't get the impression that they were a couple, but just close friends.

Same here and then I rewatched the ep... no doubt in my mind now.

Honestly, this makes me like the character of Seven even more (as if that were possible )... pushing more boundaries, and still kicking ass. I just regret that the VOY writers producers didn't have the cohones to push this angle back in the late 90s.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I just regret that the VOY writers didn't have the cohones to push this angle back in the late 90s.

eh, Berman was pretty hands on on that show. The writers could have had all the balls in the world, Berman wouldn't have agreed.

 

[JoeZhang]

I honestly didn't get the impression that they were a couple, but just close friends.

While I cannot see that as anything but a conversation between ex-lovers.

 

[The Old Mixer]

OTOH, even somebody with intimacy issues might still indulge in intimacy-free one-night stands, if they were inclined to show rather than tell in a future appearance.

 

[Hythlodeus]

While I cannot see that as anything but a conversation between ex-lovers.

agreed. I had almost the same dialogue - word for word - with my ex a couple of years ago.


What can I say, I needed an eye

 

[Guy Gardener]

I know that I am not alone in reading, in the particular intensity of the exchanges between Seven of Nine and Bjayzl in "Stardust City Rag", hints of a past intimate relationship. It would have been nice, to be sure, if they had come out and said what they were hinting at; but then, they were not covering up much.

A canonically queer Seven of Nine would be huge news. I never read the Seven/Janeway relationship through a slash lens; that relationship seemed much more maternal to me than anything else. In any event, I did not and do not think it likely that an adult Janeway would want to take advantage of a younger and much more vulnerable Seven.

All that said, I do think that Seven not being straight might indeed work. The Borg Collective us hugely flawed, but homophobia likely does not tank as one of those issues. Whatever Seven's orientation, I do not see her as likely to be any more intimidated or inhibited re: a same-sex relationship than an opposite-sex one. She certainly would not stand for others intimidating her.

(If Seven had in Bjayzl a horrid ex, well, Picard technically can claim the Borg Queen. We can all be unlucky.)

Thoughts? Are there any bits from Voyager that you think might support a non-heterosexual Seven of Nine? What did you think it the episode? Where would you like this to be taken in the future?

In the 1940s, earlier, a woman in a tuxedo is gay.

It's a given conceit.

Therefore Janeway who wore a white tux, and Seven were "probably" lovers in the holographic WWII scenario during the episode The Killing Game, since they were living together and French.

 

[Doctor Bombay]

Sorry, I didn't get any impression other than they were close friends.

 

[Ronald Held]

I am not certain that Seven can have initimate relations, physchologicall and physically.

 

[bookworm8571]

I think the subtext could be read in different ways, either a sexual relationship that ended in the worst kind of betrayal or a best friend who did the same. Seven of Nine would have been still fairly young and probably vulnerable and at loose ends after returning from the Delta Quadrant when she encountered “Jay.” A best friend who used and manipulated her and killed Icheb could have done as much damage as a lover who did the same. I assume the unfortunate relationship with Chakotay was over as soon as it began.

As far as whether she is capable of sex, I would assume it’s possible. About 20 percent of her body contains Borg implants and other body parts have been regenerated. When the lizard was mentioning the parts of her body with implants, he did not mention reproductive organs.

 

[Khan Jr]

Given Bjayzl's personality, I think she would have taunted Seven about a sexual relationship if they'd had one. She was trying to be as cruel to Seven as possible in the handcuffs scene and if she had intimate ammo she should have fired it.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I thought she kind of was taunting Seven, but subtly.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sorry, I didn't get any impression other than they were close friends.

Remember Silence in the library?

The Doctor says something like "My name, how did you know my name... I would only tell you my real name if I... "

That lady turned out to be his fricking wife.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think the subtext could be read in different ways, either a sexual relationship that ended in the worst kind of betrayal or a best friend who did the same. Seven of Nine would have been still fairly young and probably vulnerable and at loose ends after returning from the Delta Quadrant when she encountered “Jay.” A best friend who used and manipulated her and killed Icheb could have done as much damage as a lover who did the same. I assume the unfortunate relationship with Chakotay was over as soon as it began.

As far as whether she is capable of sex, I would assume it’s possible. About 20 percent of her body contains Borg implants and other body parts have been regenerated. When the lizard was mentioning the parts of her body with implants, he did not mention reproductive organs.

In the final episode of Voyager, Seven's cortical-implant (which used to be Icheb's cortical implant) was removed because it was an emotional limiter booby trap.

To much joy from sex would make her brain blow up.

The Doctor made her sex ready, and volunteered his services for that sex, which she declined.

Alternatively she "offered" to bang Harry's lights out in Revulsion, which was very early season 4.

I think it was a trick, that she was trying to make the scared little boy run away, but if the scared little boy had not run away, and she backed up her joke with grit, then they would have bumped fuzzies and Seven's cortical limiter would have exploded her brain, and Kes would have been allowed back.

 

[The Old Mixer]

The Doctor made her sex ready, and volunteered his services for that sex, which she declined.

I haven't seen that episode since not long after its original broadcast, so my memory is very hazy...tell me this is just Guy being Guy...

 

[Guy Gardener]

I haven't seen that episode since not long after its original broadcast, so my memory is very hazy...tell me this is just Guy being Guy...

EMH: You're fine, aside from some minor inflammation around your biradial clamp. Let me know if it starts to bother you. Is there something else?
SEVEN: Do you remember three months ago, when my cortical node shut down?
EMH: How could I forget.
SEVEN: You said it might be possible to remove the fail-safe device that was causing the problem.
EMH: Has it been giving you trouble again?
SEVEN: No, but I've reconsidered your offer to extract it.
EMH: I've been hoping you would.
SEVEN: You said it would require several surgeries.
EMH: Actually, in anticipation of your change of heart, I've been studying the problem in more detail. I now believe I can reconfigure the microcircuitry with a single procedure. You'll be free to experience the full ranges of emotions. Everything from a hearty belly laugh to a good cry.
SEVEN: How soon can you do it?
EMH: Today, if you'd like.
SEVEN: My shift ends at eighteen hundred hours.
EMH: It's a date. Speaking of dates. Once the fail-safe is gone, you'll be free to pursue more intimate relationships.
SEVEN: I'm aware of that.
EMH: If you decide you need help with that aspect of your humanity, I'm always at your disposal.
SEVEN: I appreciate that.
EMH: Really?
SEVEN: Yes. But I already have all the help I need.
EMH: Ah, of course. You'll undoubtedly be running more simulations with the Chakotay hologram.
SEVEN: No, actually. I'll see you at eighteen hundred hours.

 

[Longinus]

Yeah, the EMH was a disgusting creep.