Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

[DaveyNY]

Different situation entirely. Everyone is rushing to "excuse" Raffi's utterly illogical firing by making up excuses the show doesn't provide or by extrapolating what the actress said in interviews.

The show itself explicitly says Raffi was "fired" due to blowback from people being mad at Picard That's bullshit, no organization would work that way, let alone a government body in the 24th Century.

So those people inventing explanations actually agree with my point, hence the "well, she was a drug user! And maybe she pissed people off already!"

But you can't just invent shit to "fix" the shoddy storytelling of the show.

Heh ... 40+ years of working in a Hospital has shown me on several occasions that it is very possible to be fired because of ones association with 'the wrong' people.

And tales that the Mrs. has told me about things that have happened in her Dept. with the State confirms this as well.

Your assumptions are just as dismissible as ours based on my lifetime of experience alone.

 

[Crewman6]

Raffi was let go due to the most basic of reasons.

Politics.

It happens in civilian and military organisations all the time.

You wouldn't get "fired" from the military, you'd just get transferred.

 

[eschaton]

I just rewatched the scene again. IMHO a lot comes down to what Raffi means by "my ass gets fired." She may not have literally meant fired from Starfleet. She could have meant she was getting fired from the Romulan evacuation project, because without Picard, it ceased to exist.

 

[Crewman6]

Your assumptions are just as dismissible as ours based on my lifetime of experience.

Cool.

 

[Campe]

And there are 200,000 lawyers ready to swoop in when it does. It's illegal and we are still talking about the 24th Century, where things are supposed to be a bit better.

I'm guessing you've never been fired.

 

[Yistaan]

And there are 200,000 lawyers ready to swoop in when it does. It's illegal and we are still talking about the 24th Century, where things are supposed to be a bit better.

Even in terms of a TV show, getting fired because you're friends with someone who got in trouble is crap writing.

We know that Raffi says she was fired because of Picard. We also see she's spouting Tal Shiar theories after the synth attack.

If she has the audacity to shout those theories to Starfleet Command, that's all the excuse they need to fire her. Could it have been spelled out better? Sure. Is this just a fan theory? Yep. But it's a theory that happens to fit the facts, as Spock would say.

Is this show really, really terrible because they didn't spell it out? I think a lot of people would say no.

 

[Longinus]

It would be incredibly disappointing if The Doctor isn't mentioned considering how important he was to Seven's development.

Yes, I'm sure it took Seven a long time to recover from that. Who though that letting a creepy AI who himself really didn't understand humanity to guide an impressionable person recovering from being brainwashed was a good idea?

 

[Quinton]

...Every time I've revisited this forum community over the years, I've been a bit saddened by some of the hostility on display. Not everyone's gonna get along all the time, but this is a relatively small forum all things considered and I think it would be rad if there were a greater sense of union on display.

Sorry for the non sequitur. It's just kind of unfortunate. Obviously, there are far more vitriolic communities on the internet, but I miss the sense of camaraderie which I seem to remember experiencing ages ago when I used the "JeffZero" handle and ran DS9 reviews. D:

 

[Gonzo]

All they have to say is "we don't need you", or "you looked at someone the wrong way". Since we don't see the discharge papers, we don't know. Raffi says "they took away my security clearance". Which leads me to believe she saw it as them pushing her out the door, which means she probably quit. But saying she quit wouldn't have the psychological effect on Picard she wanted.

I wouldn't want to live in a world where everything had to be spoonfed to me.

Raffi knew the game was up before she even went into the office, she felt like Picard had hung her out to dry and she has a point.

That will all change when the wind starts blowing Picards way though, his restoration will also trigger hers if she wants it.

One thing nobody seems to have picked up on yet is that Raffi was summoned by the Starfleet Security Chief, could it by any chance be a certain shade wearing, eyebrow raising Commodore or her predecessor.

There are always going to be factions, Picard outright stated that half of them didnt even want to help the Romulans in the first place, the other half lost their bottle and folded after the attack, which is exactly what the instigator of the attack wanted to happen.

 

[DaveyNY]

You wouldn't get "fired" from the military, you'd just get transferred.

That's not true either, one can get Honorably Discharged for just about any reason a Review Board can think of.
All it takes sometimes to get started is pizzin' off a Superior Officer.
The Military is NOT a Democracy.

 

[Discofan]

Some times people with problems are better suited to help people with similar problems, that's why support groups get started.

 

[Yistaan]

...Every time I've revisited this forum community over the years, I've been a bit saddened by some of the hostility on display. Not everyone's gonna get along all the time, but this is a relatively small forum all things considered and I think it would be rad if there were a greater sense of union on display.

Sorry for the non sequitur. It's just kind of unfortunate. Obviously, there are far more vitriolic communities on the internet, but I miss the sense of camaraderie which I seem to remember experiencing ages ago when I used the "JeffZero" handle and ran DS9 reviews. D:

I've noticed this forum is a lot more... intense... than even theforce.net Star Wars forums (of which I've been a member for 15 years). Considering Star Wars fans' often overreaching passion has reached media attention even, that's saying a lot.

 

[DaveyNY]

Some times people with problems are better suited to help people with similar problems, that's why support groups get started.

Heh ...
The TREK BBS is my 'support group" .... is that sad?

 

[Gonzo]

Yes, I'm sure it took Seven a long time to recover from that. Who though that letting a creepy AI who himself really didn't understand humanity to guide an impressionable person recovering from being brainwashed was a good idea?

Did they do something to the Doctor after the attack on Mars, that would definitely piss her off.

 

[Gonzo]

...Every time I've revisited this forum community over the years, I've been a bit saddened by some of the hostility on display. Not everyone's gonna get along all the time, but this is a relatively small forum all things considered and I think it would be rad if there were a greater sense of union on display.

Sorry for the non sequitur. It's just kind of unfortunate. Obviously, there are far more vitriolic communities on the internet, but I miss the sense of camaraderie which I seem to remember experiencing ages ago when I used the "JeffZero" handle and ran DS9 reviews. D:

Certain individuals tend to lose their shit rather quickly, its always the same ones time and time again.

You get used to it and them.

 

[Discofan]

Heh ...
The TREK BBS is my 'support group" .... is that sad?

No comment...

 

[DaveyNY]

No comment...

I'm not feeling the support at the moment.

 

[Amos]

Taking the flagship of the fleet, the Enterprise, to head up a relocation project half the Federation doesn't even want makes no sense. Picard would logically be on a ship that would oversee the Romulus evacuation, and that ship wouldn't be the Enterprise E.

I’m not so sure about that. A situation such as a planetary evacuation would require precise command and control abilities. Essentially you’d need the equivalent of our modern day air traffic control to monitor and direct the thousands of evacuation ships and shuttles, not to mention the various ground teams. In addition, you’d want a starship with some teeth in the event a rogue Reman slave, an Orion pirate or some other nefarious character is looking for easy pickings. I can’t think of a better ship than a sovereign class vessel to handle all of this.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm not feeling the support at the moment.

It's the nature of the new shows. Laas and Odo were holding Changeling Pride demonstrations on the Promenade of DS9 even during the Dominion war, we're not seeing any Synth Pride parades now. The Federation is completely unsupportive about anything now and that attitude is contagious and breaks the fourth wall

I’m not so sure about that. A situation such as a planetary evacuation would require precise command and control abilities. Essentially you’d need the equivalent of our modern day air traffic control to monitor and direct the thousands of evacuation ships and shuttles, not to mention the various ground teams. In addition, you’d want a starship with some teeth in the event a rogue Reman slave, an Orion pirate or some other nefarious character is looking for easy pickings. I can’t think of a better ship than a sovereign class vessel to handle all of this.

The comics had an even more powerful ship given to Picard to oversee the evacuation. The Enterprise name carries too much baggage for the Romulans (Balance of Terror, Shinzon, etc.)

 

[juventuz]

A lot of discussion as to whether she was fired, she quit, was reassigned, or discharged has to do with some poor writing choices and this was just one of them in the episode. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Picard, I actually really liked the first two episodes, but this third episode felt more poorly written to me.

"I never believed Starfleet would give into intolerance and fear" - uhh, have they not watched Deep Space Nine?