A ‘Star Wars’ Movie Directed by a Woman Is ‘Absolutely’ Happening, Vows Kathleen Kennedy

[Spot261]

If we're blaming her for everything wrong with the franchise, it is only fair that we give her credit for everything that is going right with it, including The Mandolorian.

Let's face it, @Flying Spaghetti Monster is determined that there will be a problem, he'll find one and he'll find a way to make it Kennedy's fault.

He's blaming her for the failure of a film which hasn't even been made yet, he's blamed her for the imagined failures of the entire sequel trilogy (despite the fact at least one of them made the top ten grossing films of all time list), he professes to know her thoughts and refuses to acknowledge her successes.

He claims "she'll never learn" about an industry she's literally at the very top of despite the fact that his successes in the field amount to...., he claims he's not a bigot and it's all about putting story over statements about "forced diversity" but spent months failing to give any rational explanation of his hatred of Rey, despite no similar statements having been made about her.

He makes dire assessments and predictions about a company with an annual turnover larger than some small countries which owns the world's largest theme park chain and made at least five of the aforementioned top ten list.

He's a hero for men everywhere, except the ones in here, or the millions who liked the films, or, well, anyone really.

 

[fireproof78]

If we're blaming her for everything wrong with the franchise, it is only fair that we give her credit for everything that is going right with it, including The Mandolorian.

She will not get credit for successful projects.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I just love the cookie cutter politics here, the lip service to actual issues, particularly to a franchise that is supposed to be about adventure, excitement and myths, where the people in universe certainly are not preoccupied as JJ and his cronies are about whether someone is Latino or Norweigan or not (please find on a SW map where any of our diversity issues would apply)

 

[Armus]

If I was a moderator I would close this thread.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

No matter how much "representation" you offer, some group will be left out, And you still won't be happy until every group is included.
No matter how much representation you will include, it will all feel the same because it's still written by the same group of suits
No matter how much representation you include, it will always feel like pandering, like trying to cuddle up to the least common denominator, and will actually expose bigotry than cover it up.
Again, there is the cookie cutter politics here, the lip service to actual issues, particularly to a franchise that is supposed to be about adventure, excitement and myths, where the people in universe certainly are not preoccupied as JJ and his cronies are about whether someone is Latino or Norweigan or not (please find on a SW map where any of our diversity issues would apply).
The real bigotry is denying jobs to the most qualified to pander to the quota, or the diversity percentage you need to "match the diversity percentage of the United States"

 

[fireproof78]

No matter how much "representation" you offer, some group will be left out, And you still won't be happy until every group is included.

Yes. That's diversity.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Yes. That's diversity.

like I said, there will always be a group left out, and a franchise that's supposed to be sword duels, mythology, adventure, just becomes everything that's wrong with our politics here on earth

 

[fireproof78]

like I said, there will always be a group left out, and a franchise that's supposed to be sword duels, mythology, adventure, just becomes everything that's wrong with our politics here on earth

The BTS stuff is always about the politics on Earth. The actual films themselves are about mythology, adventure and sword duels.

Thus far, fans cannot seem to separate the two, even though real world politics were a part of SW from the beginning! It was in Lucas' first drafts.

Kennedy wanting a woman to direct a SW films is part of life. It isn't bad, it isn't "an agenda." It is working very hard to increase representation in a field that has struggled with it. Forbes or Wired just had an article regarding the "Top 100 Women CEOS" or something similar. The NFL is doing a commercial about the first female offensive coordinator. This is real life stuff that matters.

But, in the end, I can watch the films, and watch football and buy products and don't feel there is "an agenda" driving those things. They are just entertainment.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

The BTS stuff is always about the politics on Earth. The actual films themselves are about mythology, adventure and sword duels.

Thus far, fans cannot seem to separate the two, even though real world politics were a part of SW from the beginning! It was in Lucas' first drafts.

Kennedy wanting a woman to direct a SW films is part of life. It isn't bad, it isn't "an agenda." It is working very hard to increase representation in a field that has struggled with it. Forbes or Wired just had an article regarding the "Top 100 Women CEOS" or something similar. The NFL is doing a commercial about the first female offensive coordinator. This is real life stuff that matters.

But, in the end, I can watch the films, and watch football and buy products and don't feel there is "an agenda" driving those things. They are just entertainment.

It's not entertainment anymore when a guy tries to help a girl in a film meant for everyone and she is like "don't take my hand!"

 

[fireproof78]

It's not entertainment anymore when a guy tries to help a girl in a film meant for everyone and she is like "don't take my hand!"

Bull. Pure and simple bull. I've seen in films before TFA and I'll see after.

That's making a mountain out of a microbe.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Bull. Pure and simple bull. I've seen in films before TFA and I'll see after.

That's making a mountain out of a microbe.

Now imagine how many people would be offended in outrage culture if a man actually helped a woman. Godforbid how about if one actually beat her in a fair fight

 

[Spot261]

I just love the cookie cutter politics here, the lip service to actual issues, particularly to a franchise that is supposed to be about adventure, excitement and myths, where the people in universe certainly are not preoccupied as JJ and his cronies are about whether someone is Latino or Norweigan or not (please find on a SW map where any of our diversity issues would apply)

WHAT actual issues?

The ones in your head?

YOU don't like the new films, that's it. You're entitled to that opinion.

They are not, however, failures. They are not universally seen as bad and Kathleen Kennedy is really quite secure in her outrageously successful career. Disney are not facing ruin or being forced to reassess their choices and Star Wars remains a massive worldwide phenomenon.

Except in your head.

 

[Campe]

The issue here is that there is still thinking in an us vs. them mentality. It shouldn't be that. I'm going to say it again: If the person is the right person for the job, regardless of race, gender, creed, country of origin, what does it matter?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

WHAT actual issues?

The ones in your head?

YOU don't like the new films, that's it. You're entitled to that opinion.

They are not, however, failures. They are not universally seen as bad and Kathleen Kennedy is really quite secure in her outrageously successful career. Disney are not facing ruin or being forced to reassess their choices and Star Wars remains a massive worldwide phenomenon.

Except in your head.

You clearly didn't read my post.. so.. hey that's cool. You don't have to

 

[fireproof78]

Now imagine how many people would be offended in outrage culture if a man actually helped a woman. Godforbid how about if one actually beat her in a fair fight

Nope, not even close to reality. This is made up, conspiracy level thinking, BS.

As I've said, I've seen before SW and I'll see it again after SW. I laughed before, and I will probably laugh again.

Methinks these arguments are too full of their own self-importance to actually be debated.

 

[Armus]

Now imagine how many people would be offended in outrage culture if a man actually helped a woman. Godforbid how about if one actually beat her in a fair fight

Even if Rey was less of a Mary Sue the films would still have massive problems. FYI a guy can be just as much as Mary Sue as a woman. Case in point: Jeff Bridges's son's character in Tron Legacy.

 

[fireproof78]

Even if Rey was less of Mary Sue the films would still have massive problems. For the record a guy can be just as much as Mary Sue as a women. Case in point: Jeff Bridge's son's character in Tron Legacy.

Case in point-Luke and Anakin from the other trilogies.

This is not a new problem in storytelling or filmmaking. The new problem is how much of a big problem we make out of rather insignificant details. The obsessive nature of fandom is its own worst enemy.

 

[Spot261]

You clearly didn't read my post.. so.. hey that's cool. You don't have to

Sadly I did.

Which is exactly why I posted what I did in response.

This is about YOUR issues, YOUR insecurities, YOUR hangups, YOUR frustrations, YOUR failures in life, YOUR pet hates, YOUR obsessions.

No one else's.

Most of us here are male (not all by a long stretch, but more than half) and I'd take a chance that most of those men are white based on the statistics.

Yet by and large, most of us think Kennedy's done a pretty good job. So when you keep talking about whom to blame for "the failures" and without exception find a way to make it her it's not a non sequiter response to ask what failings she's supposed to being blamed for.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Even if Rey was less of Mary Sue the films would still have massive problems. FYI a guy can be just as much as Mary Sue as a woman. Case in point: Jeff Bridge's son's character in Tron Legacy.

It's been a while, but I really remember him losing to rinzler, getting his lightcycle demolished, and being helped off the Grid by Quorra. I do seem to think his background also tends to fit his abilities. Of course, it's been like 8 years since I've watched

 

[Armus]

It's been a while, but I really remember him losing to rinzler, getting his lightcycle demolished, and being helped off the Grid by Quorra. I do seem to think his background also tends to fit his abilities. Of course, it's been like 8 years since I've watched

He gets sucked into a computer and he is ready to kick ass during his first fight like he is Russell Crowe in Gladiator. That lack of verisimilitude drives me crazy. There are too many cocky, born-fighter Mary Sues in action movies today. Male or female, I hate it.