Badly worded on my part. There was no good reason to do it. They were already beating us over the head with nostalgia.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Badly worded on my part. There was no good reason to do it. They were already beating us over the head with nostalgia.
Hey, you're free to headcanon what you like even if it contradicts what's onscreen (which clearly shows differences). I assume you also say Kor, Kang, and Koloth always had ridges in TOS as well?
Those 3 were specifically shown as ridged in DS9 and no cure for the Augment virus has ever canonically stated to have happened.
Hey, you're free to headcanon what you like even if it contradicts what's onscreen (which clearly shows differences). I assume you also say Kor, Kang, and Koloth always had ridges in TOS as well?
No, they were smooth in TOS because of the augment virus from Enterprise. Now presumably at some point between TOS and TUC (because we saw Kang with ridges in the flash back to TUC in Voyager) there was a cure or whatever developed.
There's literally no canon element to this at all, period. If one's going to say the Disco Enterprise was always the same as the TOS Enterprise, then one says Kang, Kor, and Koloth always had ridges if they're going to be consistent.
Otherwise it's one picking and choosing headcanon based on whims rather than rules (whether it be a ruleset where you go by what's on screen like I do or a ruleset by producer intention like the TOS Ent = Disco Ent fans do).
Using one ruleset for one element (Enterprise appearance) and another ruleset for another element (Kang, Kor, and Koloth ridges) is completely inconsistent.
No Augment cure virus was ever stated to exist and can't be fabricated based on whims if you're going by the TOS Ent = Disco Ent ruleset.
Why is it ok to fabricate an Augment cure but not an Enterprise reconfiguration?
For what it's worth I believe there was both an Augment cure and an Enterprise reconfiguration to fit what's onscreen, but it seems others are trying to have one element but not the other, based on nothing but personal whims.
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Okay so...Enterprise is canon, they explained the smooth Klingon thing there. So there is that.
The reason why I go by TOS Enterprise = Disco Enterprise is because that is what has been established now in both what the producers have said, granted they said they allowed 10 years for refits, and also because they have now shown the Discovery Enterprise in Picard.
Now will we maybe see refits or updates in future Trek works that show the Enterprise from Discovery morph closer to what we all are familiar with as the TOS Enterprise? Maybe so, I'd like that..but it doesn't change it's the same ship
I always said it was the same ship, but that refits happened offscreen. What others are saying on here is that somehow the bridge in Cage and Disco are the same without refits or bridge module swapping (or even a quantum "Computer change bridge theme" which is now completely possible given that transporter tech is used to store physical matter in stasis as seen in Picard)
Except Q&A threw all that out the window, meaning at this point my quantum bridge "desktop theme" explanation is probably the best one.
god i hope not the 1966 version can stay away in a museum where it belongs not in a 2020 production
Yeah, no.
Not an exact match, but a hybrid of the mirror darkly HD Defiant model with some of the discovery enterprise elements would be sufficient
After seeing the photos of the new Picard show, I'm surprised no one pointed out that the "high tech" holographic interfaces are a blatant security risk that Daimon Bok or Gul Dukat or whoever can now see all sorts of sensitive technical data just from chatting on the viewscreen.
The reason for the discrepancy is that ST: TOS, ST: DS9, And ST: V are different productions. The latter ones reused elements from the original but they weren't 1 to 1 identical.Hey, you're free to headcanon what you like even if it contradicts what's onscreen (which clearly shows differences). I assume you also say Kor, Kang, and Koloth always had ridges in TOS as well?
No, they were smooth in TOS because of the augment virus from Enterprise. Now presumably at some point between TOS and TUC (because we saw Kang with ridges in the flash back to TUC in Voyager) there was a cure or whatever developed.
Kor, Kang, Koloth, and Klingons in general in ST: TOS were always smooth headed. At the same time Kor, Kang, Koloth, and Klingons in general in later productions always had bumpy heads. The stupid virus thing from ST: E was lame attempt to pacify those who can't seem to handle and require an explanation for the change in looks between the different productions.
The daft idea of the NCC-1701 supposedly having ping-ponging refits to make it match up with ST: TOS is a similarly lame attempt to pacify those who can't seem to handle and require an explanation for the change in looks.
In the stuff before ST: D and ST: P the pre-ST: TMP 1701 always looked more or less like it did in ST: TOS. In ST: D and ST: P it always looked like the sat on thing with potato peeler warp struts.
No one person is required to be consistent about any of this stuff. You just go with what works in your head.
And I'd say it is a given that a cure was produced at some point, as you have Klingon children being born with ridges.
The Augment Virus is canon. Kor, Koloth and Kang not having cranial ridges in TOS is also canon. So is the fact that all three had cranial ridges in DS9 and VOY so that means that the cure to the Augment Virus reversed the effects to their genome or that they had reconstructive surgery to create new ridges or a mixture of both.
I expect the cure probably involved gene-splicing Tribble DNA, which explains why they don't talk about such things.
Pike's Q&A bridge is canon. Pike's Cage bridge is also canon. The fact that the Cage bridge showed up again in WNMHGB means that the bridge was either refit or easily reconfigured, possibly via the quantum technology seen in Picard show's Starfleet Quantum Archives, which shows that multiple physical objects can be dematerialized and rematerialized at will from computer memory.
Let me restate: the Augment Virus and its eventual cure are continuity and explain everything else. Which is far more important than just being onscreen canon.
No actual cure is continuity or canon at all. We have no more explanation for why Kor and his friends suddenly have ridges than we have explanation for why the Enterprise bridge suddenly looks different.
For all we know per on-screen dialogue, Q showed up and snapped his fingers to make both Kor and his friends (and just Kor and his friends) have ridges and the Enterprise bridge look different. There is no canon that a cure was found period.
You go with what works in your head, but these are my thoughts...
Then why would they spend eighteen months tearing down and rebuilding the Enterprise in TMP? There is a point where it is silly to try to cram them both in the same timeline. Discovery or the original Star Trek are an alternate timeline now. It is the easiest, most straight forward explanation.
Are there 203 people on Pike's Enterprise in "The Cage", or are there 429 like is mentioned in Discovery? I don't think you can put actual people in quantum storage?
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