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Poll What do you think of the Starfleet uniforms in Star Trek: Picard?

What do you think of the Starfleet uniforms they made for the show?

  • I like them.

    Votes: 95 58.3%
  • I would have preferred the uniforms first shown in Star Trek: First Contact.

    Votes: 29 17.8%
  • I would have preferred the future uniforms first shown in "All Good Things…"

    Votes: 10 6.1%
  • I would have preferred to see a new and more radical design.

    Votes: 25 15.3%
  • I would have preferred to see one of the old uniforms.

    Votes: 4 2.5%

  • Total voters
    163
I thought that the uniforms were poorly fitted and I didn't notice any texture.

Speaking characters are textured - it's very clear on a decent TV.

There was a decent article on this a while ago - because of HD and now increasingly 4K, costumes always generally have texture rather than flat fabric because it looks visually boring otherwise.
 
Yes, you can just about make it out. Also, bonus cute shuttle minibus thing;

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I guess that's the scene that Stewart talked about when he said he had to be in uniform for it to make sense.

I also think the new ones looked much better on Oh and Rizzo. The only thing that bothers me is the harsh right angle at the ends of the collar. They should make it an angle or a curve instead.
 
Yes, I thought that too -- it would have made more sense if the front of the collar had the same angle as the as the notch at the bottom of the yoke. Oh well...
 
TrekCore pointed this out, but if you look very carefully at the collar of the uniform, there are tiny starfleet deltas stitched into them.

http://blog.trekcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/neck.jpg

The STO images may have given us a clue to the subtle Flag Officer distinctions on the (apparently) otherwise standard gold duty uniform:

The STO version of the one-pip Admiral / Commodore bar is worn with a slightly different combadge — the standard version has a silver arrowhead outline with gold backing plates but the STO admiral version has a reversed metal colors in that it has a GOLD arrowhead outline and silver (maybe even dull-finish silver) backing plates.

This mimics the (fictional) alternative future uniforms from the TNG episode Future Imperfect where Admiral Picard’s badge had a gold delta on silver bars and all the others had silver delta on gold (or black) bars.

It’s not immediately obvious from the currently available images of either the one-pip Vulcan or Admiral Clancy whether this is also true for the costumes in the show. The lighting in each shot is such that it’s hard to make out but I have a feeling that this might well turn out to be the case.

EDIT:
I’ll correct myself — just spotted that STO (at least in the pics I have seen) is using the gold-on-dull-silver combadge for ALL ranks so this may not be that helpful after all!

You can customize the colours of the uniform, pips and badges in STO, so don’t take that as proof. Anyways as we see in episode 2, everyone has silver delta with a dark backing. It did not change based on Rank.
 
Speaking characters are textured - it's very clear on a decent TV.
I'll have to have another look.

Those things were awful and made everyone look like a high-pants wearing grandpa.
I always thought that if they were to reuse those uniforms on a regular basis, they could always keep the same basic look but tailor them properly. Maybe make them into a slight TOS movie style tunic.
 
It's the whole coloured section not just the collar.
Ah, so it is. It was hard to see on my phone, but I see it now.

I really don't like the Admiral's Uniform
I agree with almost everything they say here, which is a rare thing to happen for me lol
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How many SF uniforms have we seen on this show so far?
  1. TNG 3-7
  2. First Contact
  3. 2380s
  4. 2399
In the old days they would just used a slightly modified old uniform for flashbacks.
 
Ah, so it is. It was hard to see on my phone, but I see it now.

I really don't like the Admiral's Uniform
I agree with almost everything they say here, which is a rare thing to happen for me lol
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I think the Trekyards guys have missed a few things; I’m not sure I entirely agree with their analysis.

The Commodore is wearing her rank bar on what is otherwise a plain standard uniform. Given that Adm. Clancy is C-in-C, and can likely wear whatever she chooses, I suspect that her “uniform” is a one-off that is specific to her and is not necessarily representative of what other flag officers would be wearing during this period.

That said, it’s worth picking apart some of the design cues as there’s quite a lot going on here:

The black side panels on Clancy’s grey tunic are reminiscent of the TNG uniforms; perhaps more importantly, given her position, there’s also an echo of the formal uniform that Adm. Kirk was wearing when we first see him in TMP. The shoulder panels that are separated with a notch that leads up to the collar, rather than being one continuous yoke, also echoes the flashback era uniform from the time before Picard’s resignation.

In fact, if you look at the uniforms generally, they have very strong links to the preceding eras:

The coloured yoke with deep sleeve points on the “current” uniforms echoes the flashback era uniforms (which presumably directly preceded these “current” uniforms from the time period of Picard’s retirement); the very plain, square-edged collar, worn over the plain black undershirt is not the same as the flashback uniforms but it does echo their collars, which have a plain black band above a colored collar strip.

The current rank pip placement echoes both the AGT / Endgame alternative future uniforms and the previous TNG-era dress uniforms. It’s also not that dissimilar to where the rank bars on the shoulder straps of the TWOK uniforms were worn.

The flashback era uniforms from around twenty years previous to the show have a similar feel to the early-TNG jumpsuits, almost like Starfleet got to the end of the Dominion War period and consciously went back to something that had a feel of a much more positive time in their history. The details may be different (colored shoulder, black body rather than the other way around) but to me the overall “feel” if these costumes is very much early TNG.

Those TNG S1/S2 spandex jumpsuits may have only lasted a couple of years on TV for us the viewers but in the backstory we know that they go back quite some time to at least the period when Picard was commanding the USS Stargazer.

Equally, although it has added gold and a few other features, Picard’s admiral uniform is actually not radically different from the standard uniforms of that period — so maybe it’s not such a leap that, for the next iteration of their uniforms, Starfleet subsequently opted to drop the flag officer distinctions entirely and simply put the updated rank bars on completely standard uniforms, as they had done in the past (c.f. senior officers in TOS).

On that note, I have to say that I like the new, updated versions of the rank bars. The trapezoidal shape is a clever echo of the design features of the uniform itself. It makes the bars much more distinctive as a stand-alone feature and I think they are better for it.

I also like the fact that they have gone for a minimal approach with just one flag officer rank bar in the standard rank position, instead of multiple bars on both collars and both sleeve cuffs. I’m still trying to find absolute confirmation of this but everything I can see from reviewing lots of HD freeze-frames and screen grabs suggests that the rank bars use the same mix of polished silver with satin bronze-grey background as the finish on the new combadges, which I think is a very nice design touch.

I have to admit that I started out being rather underwhelmed by the new Starfleet uniforms and really wasn’t at all convinced about the designs or what the costume designers were trying to achieve when we saw the first few images. Now that I have seen the real things on-screen in the episodes, I think I’m beginning to understand what they had in mind and these new Starfleet uniforms are very much starting to grow on me. For sure, it’s not what I would have done but I was ready to dislike them quite a lot and I’m finding that, much to my surprise, I don’t!
 
Now we just need the pajama uniforms of 2350-circa 2366 and we've got a party going!
 
The mid 2380s uniforms are gorgeous! If we get a show set in this period I'd enjoy looking at them every week. The 2399 uniforms look okay.
 
The uniforms indeed seem a bit better in the new episode, though a bit bland. I've never been a huge fan of the black from shoulders down style.

I'm glad that commodore is mentioned. It has long been speculated that the rank was discontinued after TOS, but is there actually any evidence for that besides it not being mentioned? I.e. has the one star flag rank ever been referred as some sort of an admiral?

Yep we saw 2 rear admiral lower halfs in early TNG Admiral Jameson and Quinn. They weren’t using the standard admiral pips then but the braid shown was effectively equivalent to “one star”.
 
Yep we saw 2 rear admiral lower halfs in early TNG Admiral Jameson and Quinn. They weren’t using the standard admiral pips then but the braid shown was effectively equivalent to “one star”.
Eh, that bizarre braid could mean anything...
 
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