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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

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A couple of things about Pike's Enterprise (ignoring the updated bridge architecture, the TMP-era corridor and nacelle support pylon architecture, and the Kirk-era color scheme):
1. Why is a crew member of unknown, never-seen-before species named after J. M. Colt?
2. What ever happened to Jose Tyler?
 
I still think having Ash Tyler be a cousin of José Tyler would have been a nice touch. José could have been at the navigation station when Ash steps out of the turbolift onto the bridge and he turns to see him. "ASH? What on earth are you doing here?"

"LONG story, José. Way too long to talk about right now."
 
There's a reviewer I follow who has reviewed every episode of Star Trek on his site. I'd been waiting for him to get onto DISCO season 2 for a while. However, his thoughts weren't positive. Here's his review of Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2:

Well the surprisingly lengthy space battle was indeed fun as expected, but as usual with Discovery they put exponentially more effort into production quality than writing quality. As usual there are so many layers of incoherence and bad plotting to work through. For starters the absurd number of shuttles and "pods" (whatever those are, and who knows why they're never seen again...) hinted at in the previous episode is much greater than it seemed. They number at over 200! Seriously? Then we have super genius teenager Po who knows military tactics better than every trained Starfleet officer. Then there's the surprise allies arriving to save the day trope executed more sloppily than usual. Tyler somehow organizes and teleports everyone to the battle in the space of what, an hour? How does Tyler organize all that? When did he really start preparing it all? How did those ships get there so fast? Why couldn't Tyler have contacted Starfleet for help if he was able to reach the Klingons and the Kelpiens? There are no good answers to these questions. An even more awkward question is why didn't the Klingons look surprised that Tyler is even alive? Remember earlier in the season when L'Rell faked his death to keep her hold on power? The writers apparently didn't remember that.

Then there's that indestructible blast door on the Enterprise. That torpedo blows off a third or so of the saucer section but somehow leaves Pike untouched when he's standing just on the other side of a door. And why didn't Cornwell get one of those repair robots to pull the lever for her? A similarly embarrassing oversight has to do with the motivation behind transporting Discovery to the future to begin with. Set aside for the moment that they could've avoided this whole mess by using the spore drive to get out of range of Control to begin with. That was covered in the earlier reviews. What we need to talk about now is they've actually made it worse: Georgiou destroyed Control and nobody took a step back and realized, "Hey, wait, we won. We don't need to send Discovery to the future anymore. Control can't weaponize the sphere database if Control is dead. Hooray! No need to maroon a whole crew of people!"

But the writers didn't notice that either because they were utterly committed to sending the ship and her crew to the future at all costs because that was supposed to reconcile Discovery with canon. Except it doesn't. Not even close. It's an insult to expect the audience to believe that all the numerous tough things to reconcile that happened across these two seasons can be satisfactorily reset buttoned by making it classified. Too many people already know too many things. And making Discovery or the spore drive classified doesn't fix the numerous outright continuity errors, or the visual reboot. The only real solution is to dump Discovery into a multiverse like the Kelvinverse from Star Trek XI (2009) where it always should've been to begin with. It's quite remarkable that the writers saw the problem clearly enough that they were willing to almost totally retcon Discovery out of existence, but they didn't take it all the way. Thankfully they haven't yet precluded the conclusion that Discovery is in a multiverse. So we must continue to presume that it is and hope they never contradict it. Indeed, we should further hope they endorse Discovery being in a multiverse on-screen some day like was done with Star Trek XI (2009) for the long term health of the franchise's canon.

Looking to the future, Discovery's third season will have have some interesting plotting problems to solve internally. Setting aside canon concerns, the other half of Discovery's overall awfulness is its unwillingness to think through its innumerable comic bookish superpowers or the implications of the corners they write themselves into. They're going to be in the far future with an unknown political geography in an obsolete starship that has suffered from massive battle damage. Assuming they somehow survive, what do they do? This finale makes it seem like they're stuck there forever, but they still have the time travel suit. It just needs a new time crystal. And there sure seemed to be a lot of those on Boreth, so... yeah. Even if Discovery somehow delivers us the perfect fix to its canon-wrecking two seasons by endorsing the multiverse solution, it seems pretty clear we shouldn't trust them to tell a coherent story on its own terms any more than we should trust them to play nice in the sandbox of Star Trek's epic canon.

Overall, Discovery continues to be a massive disappointment and at times even a disgrace to the Star Trek franchise on many levels. Let's hope the writers start paying closer attention to the damage they're doing to the franchise and work to make repairs before it's too late.

1/10
 
I don't read a lot of review sites simply because if the review is negative it will put me off a show that I otherwise might actually enjoy. Once read it puts seeds in your mind so you end up looking for those things the reviewer griped about.
 
"Overall, Discovery continues to be a massive disappointment and at times even a disgrace to the Star Trek franchise on many levels."

Whelp, no longer can take that seriously.

So Discovery is just like every series that came before it then. They were all a disgrace to the franchise at one time or another. I really wish the revisionist histrionics would stop.
 
So Discovery is just like every series that came before it then. They were all a disgrace to the franchise at one time or another. I really wish the revisionist histrionics would stop.
Pretty much, yes. I recall the death threats towards Meyer for wanting to kill Spock. I know many have posted reviews of TNG when it first came out.

Sorry, Star Trek is just fine and hasn't been "disgraced" whatever that means.
 
Pretty much, yes. I recall the death threats towards Meyer for wanting to kill Spock. I know many have posted reviews of TNG when it first came out.

Sorry, Star Trek is just fine and hasn't been "disgraced" whatever that means.

I'm too young to remember the hate towards TNG but boy, do I remember the hate towards DS9, VOY and ENT.
 
You put two fans of any franchise into the same room, and you are likely to get at least three different opinions of any given piece of that franchise.

I have a friend who liked SW: The Rise of Skywalker. Her fiancee hated it.
 
So Discovery is just like every series that came before it then. They were all a disgrace to the franchise at one time or another. I really wish the revisionist histrionics would stop.

Pretty much, yes. I recall the death threats towards Meyer for wanting to kill Spock. I know many have posted reviews of TNG when it first came out.

Sorry, Star Trek is just fine and hasn't been "disgraced" whatever that means.

Yeah... the extreme hate us just...extreme.


But I was there as a teenager watching TNG premiere...i wasn't on message boards like I am now. But I noted that Picard surrendered the ship 4 times that 2st season...which also had Nakrd Now, Justice and Angel One as well as hand-vac phasers. But it matured and I grew to like it.

I think Discovery had a lot more positive going in...but still flaws. So this ending kinda fixed the continuity errors and set Enterprise back on its TOS course...but still didn't feel quite right...
 
I think Discovery had a lot more positive going in...but still flaws. So this ending kinda fixed the continuity errors and set Enterprise back on its TOS course...but still didn't feel quite right...

No one is saying that Discovery is perfect, it's not. But it's no where near as horrific as a lot of the people who hate it claim. And it's hard to take those claims seriously when they have occurred with every single series in the franchise post-TOS.

Star trek is chock full of continuity errors that people no longer care about. In a few years when some other trek series comes along that all the hardcore fans hate, they'll look back on Discovery and realise it wasn't bad. Just like people are now doing with Enterprise. Every series is also chock full of flaws, none of them were perfect, so why should Discovery be held to some ridiculous standard that past series in the franchise don't even meet?

If it 'didn't feel right' then that is your subjective opinion, to me it felt fine. If I want to go see the Enterprise in all it's original glory I can go watch TOS. It's not like it's going to disappear. The Enterprise looking different in Discovery and vice versa doesn't impact my enjoyment of either series, because guess what it's a tv show.
 
I think Discovery had a lot more positive going in...but still flaws. So this ending kinda fixed the continuity errors and set Enterprise back on its TOS course...but still didn't feel quite right...
Of course it has flaws and I wold not argue against that. It is not above criticism and certainly there were choices made that I would not have made.

But, fixing continuity errors shouldn't be the focus of the writing team. They should focus on a good story because trying to get the "feel" right" is an exercise in futility.
If I want to go see the Enterprise in all it's original glory I can go watch TOS. It's not like it's going to disappear. The Enterprise looking different in Discovery and vice versa doesn't impact my enjoyment of either series, because guess what it's a tv show.
Exactly. For me, Discovery is additive to those adventures. Seeing TOS as just a longer continuation of prior adventures rather than the only measuring stick by which Trek is determine to be.

Two different shows, two different animals-both Trek, both entertaining.
 
Of course it has flaws and I wold not argue against that. It is not above criticism and certainly there were choices made that I would not have made.

But, fixing continuity errors shouldn't be the focus of the writing team. They should focus on a good story because trying to get the "feel" right" is an exercise in futility.

Exactly. For me, Discovery is additive to those adventures. Seeing TOS as just a longer continuation of prior adventures rather than the only measuring stick by which Trek is determine to be.

Two different shows, two different animals-both Trek, both entertaining.

exactly - i really don't understand why people inist a giraffe not to be some sort of a cow
 
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