”Afraid” of the new Picard series?

[Qonundrum]

Are you afraid how the new Picard series might change the way you look at TNG? A discussion related to this is in another thread about Lal and could she appear in 'Picard'.

Keep this in mind: https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/12/29/star-trek-picard-next-generation-not-a-sequel/

It cannot change any perception on TNG. Because it is not a sequel. So it's not taking place in our TNG universe. It's in its own sandbox and that alone caters to everyone, which is actually pretty great. No problems so far.

I'm not afraid I guess but a little bit concerned. Obviously it's been twenty years and people change even in scifi.... but still, how may that affect the way we see certain people, Picard being the first in line. After 'Picard' are some scenes different in TNG? ”Future Picard would have done that differently” etc.

People can and sometimes do change. That in of itself doesn't faze me. The issue is to keep the trope interesting and not worn out.

If a character like Lal would appear, would that somehow ”ruin” episode 'The Offspring'? Depending on what would happen of course. What about other characters? One example could be Worf's brother Kurn. I think DS9 completely messed up by erasing his memory, then lying to him and making him someone completely different. (if anyone likes that episode, sorry, but I think that was dumb and also a discussion to be had somewhere else, that would be too off topic?)

Lal fried its brains and it's a shame the spelling wasn't "Lol" (IMHO the episode was a garish half-asleep retread of TMoaM but back to PIC). Also, Data never had a preference for his "offspring", which was clearly defined. Picard was applying and projecting emotion where none existed, which seems incredulous for either Picard or Data but let's explore this for some reason anyway: Did Picard forget all that? Or did he imagine it at the time? Irumodic Syndrome or any other form of senility induced by advanced age is confirmed? Or was Picard romanticizing vicariously because part of him did not want to have a family but another part had? Which is more soap opera than sci-fi but whatever, exploring a whole series just on that is a waste.

Why not have Picard remember out of the blue that Data wanted three girls and three boys? Then they could do a crossover with the Brady Bunch while they're at it too. Let them be super strong and fly around with capes and shoot laser beams from their eyes. They can do a crossover with Superman that would put Zod to shame. Or maybe not.

TNG is my favourite series and for a TV series it means almost too much for me. I wouldn't like it to be messed up with 'Picard'. That won't happen most likely but I'm nervous, maybe I shouldn't be. It's just that once you've watched an episode, it's pretty much impossible to unwatch it.

Whatever happens in PIC, do not worry. Again, its makers say it is not a sequel. So TNG is unharmed and people can decide for themselves it's a sequel all they want if they want. It means it doesn't need to exist if people don't want it. It's its own show featuring some character names from TNG that is detached from the show that created them.

As I type this, this sound stupid.... sorry for wasting your time if you read this far.

EDIT - Should this topic be in TNG forum?

No time wasted, nothing sounds stupid. And I see your point as to which forum room it should be in but I'd have leaned to the PIC room too.

 

[Qonundrum]

It’s like those morons on YouTube that shit on anything that’s not TOS. It’s like any new Trek is “raping their childhood”
Don’t like it, don’t watch it. Your TOS DVD’s are still available for you to watch. And in same vein, there is nothing any new show can do to diminish any previous one.

^^this

TNG may have brought out lots of arguing over which captain was better in 1990, but it didn't diminish TOS. DS9 didn't diminish TNG and some people were complaining at the time it was apocryphal to Roddernberryisms too. VOY didn't diminish its predecessors either. ENT was just another prequel, setting up situations and/or answering questions that -generally as far as prequels are concerned - few are asking. Anyone can watch in any order and still understand which shows were produced first, warts and all. DSC is, as with all Trek shows, up to an individual's taste but while I can't and won't speak for everybody it's not affected my childhood or enjoying the same stories or finding new things to like or even to dislike. The new shows might have people then digging up to watch the old ones and come to whatever conclusions after that point but that's about it.

 

[Paul Weaver]

So it's not taking place in our TNG universe

Yes it is.

DS9 wasn’t a sequel to TNG, but takes place in the same universe.

 

[BillJ]

I don’t think so. The first episode really seemed to present Picard as an authentic older version of the character whose thoughts and feelings were consistent with what we know of him.

I think the rub for me is Picard just giving up on the Romulans. Leave Starfleet over abandoning the Romulans? I could see that. Not using his considerable clout and favors across the Federation to continue on? That doesn't feel right. Not for Jean-Luc Picard.

 

[BillJ]

Yes it is.

The official CBS party line: it is all the same universe. But it is up to each individual to decide if it fits together in their head. For me? Broad strokes are the same details are different.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

The official CBS party line: it is all the same universe. But it is up to each individual to decide if it fits together in their head. For me? Broad strokes are the same details are different.

It always comes down to the old and wise fandom saying: Headcanon is the best canon.

 

[Lord Garth]

Keep this in mind: https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/12/29/star-trek-picard-next-generation-not-a-sequel/

It cannot change any perception on TNG. Because it is not a sequel. So it's not taking place in our TNG universe.

You twisted what Akiva Goldsman said to your own advantage and are running with it.

Assuming you even actually watched "Remembrance" (I'm not even sure you did), how do you take into account the images, props, and callbacks to both TNG and the TNG Movies?

 

[BillJ]

Assuming you even watched "Remembrance" (I'm not even sure you did), how do you take into account the images, props, and callbacks to both TNG and the TNG Movies?

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt until they hung their version of the 1701 from the Starfleet rafters. They want to forget TOS, they don't get to act like this is all part of it.

 

[El Maestro]

I think the rub for me is Picard just giving up on the Romulans. Leave Starfleet over abandoning the Romulans? I could see that. Not using his considerable clout and favors across the Federation to continue on? That doesn't feel right. Not for Jean-Luc Picard.

He obviously didn’t give up on all of them. Laris and Zhaban credit him for doing at least some good. Don’t forget the 9/11 style attack on Mars and the subsequent banning of artificial life forms contributed to his actions. I get the feeling the show will be about Picard getting his mojo back, so to speak.

 

[El Maestro]

You twisted what Akiva Goldsman said to your own advantage and are running with it.

Assuming you even actually watched "Remembrance" (I'm not even sure you did), how do you take into account the images, props, and callbacks to both TNG and the TNG Movies?

It is exhausting watching the fan base decide (wrongly) that these shows don’t take place in the prime universe because they don’t like some creative decisions. All canon Trek is in the prime universe except the three Kelvin universe movies. This isn’t hard.

 

[Lord Garth]

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt until they hung their version of the 1701 from the Starfleet rafters. They want to forget TOS, they don't get to act like this is all part of it.

I'm pretty sure Patrick Stewart believes he's playing the same character. But feel free to tell him he's not.

I'm also pretty sure Leonard Nimoy believed he was playing the same character in the Abrams Films.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think the rub for me is Picard just giving up on the Romulans. Leave Starfleet over abandoning the Romulans? I could see that. Not using his considerable clout and favors across the Federation to continue on? That doesn't feel right. Not for Jean-Luc Picard.

Without Starfleet, he wouldn't have the resources. Also, while it hasn't been spelled out on the show yet, in behind the scenes stuff they've said that Picard's action was meant as a protest to shame Starfleet into action, but it backfired when they told him not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out.

 

[Makarov]

Any lingering fears I had dissolved when they mentioned

Spoiler: remembrance

Bruce Maddox. A minor guest star in season 2 and passing reference in season 4.

That tells me the writers have not forgotten Lore or Lal.

I felt the same. I'm not worried at all after that, more so excited to see what they do from here.

For those saying one thing cannot ruin another, sometimes it can. Matrix reloaded and revolutions ruined the original for me.

 

[fireproof78]

It is exhausting watching the fan base decide (wrongly) that these shows don’t take place in the prime universe because they don’t like some creative decisions. All canon Trek is in the prime universe except the three Kelvin universe movies. This isn’t hard.

Let individuals make up their own mind.

 

[Paul Weaver]

All canon Trek is in the prime universe except the three Kelvin universe movies. This isn’t hard.

In a mirror darkly is entirely in the mirror universe consisting entirely of mirror universe characters

Picard's action was meant as a protest to shame Starfleet into action

They called his bluff.

Matrix reloaded and revolutions ruined the original for me.

https://www.xkcd.com/566/

 

[BillJ]

I'm pretty sure Patrick Stewart believes he's playing the same character. But feel free to tell him he's not.

I'm also pretty sure Leonard Nimoy believed he was playing the same character in the Abrams Films.

Good for them? I'm sure Patrick Stewart still felt he was playing Jean-Luc Picard in "Yesterday's Enterprise". Same for Nimoy and Spock in "Mirror, Mirror". Alternate timeline versions of the characters aren't any less valid.

 

[Lord Garth]

At the end of the day, The Crusades were just one big 400-year Canon War.

If the Internet existed back then, just imagine the Flame Wars that could've been archived.

 

[BillJ]

At the end of the day, The Crusades were just one big 400-year Canon War.

No war like a Canon War. Just wait until we get nukes!

 

[Paul Weaver]

Canon to right of them,
Canon to left of them,
Canon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with nit and pick,
Boldly they go and post,
Into the jaws of trekbbs,
Into the mouth of TNZ
Rode the six hundred

 

[Nerys Myk]

Good for them? I'm sure Patrick Stewart still felt he was playing Jean-Luc Picard in "Yesterday's Enterprise". Same for Nimoy and Spock in "Mirror, Mirror". Alternate timeline versions of the characters aren't any less valid.

Un, no. Not the same thing.