So can Jadzia, Kira, and Janeway,.. Where are the objections to those?
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My take on it was that the Queen was inexplicably obsessed with Picard and still wanted him at her side. Hence why she showed Picard how to destroy the cube, but also lured him into the vortex.
Yes, you are wrong that the engineer had Gary Mitchell eyes.
Micheal makes mistakes both large and small, some that have far reaching consequences. She's hardly a 'superwoman'.
A number of non-extraordinarly characters in Star Trek have gone blade to blade with Klingons and not been annihilated, are they considered all 'supermen' and 'superwomen' to you?
We get plenty of time to get to know the characters, and the filming offers no more in the way of 'cheap tricks' than films like Wrath of Khan.
My take was she'd spend lifetimes destroying civilizations in search of a man she considered worth her time.
The difference being Jadzia, Kira and Janeway were simply far more interesting, building their own unique backstories vs. being a bolt-on to Spock's. I think the writer's robbed Sonequa Martin-Green of being able to build her own Trek legacy.
Hopefully, that changes with season three.
The same reason you haven't seen Starfleet dropping Genesis Devices on every burg cube and occupied Dominion world or curing every ailment with Khan's Magic Blood Serum.
No Gary Mitchel eyes.
Michael is understood to be a singularly gifted, driven, but extremely flawed character. As far as combat with Klingons: their battle prowess seems to be more their own P.R. than anything else. Vulcans held them at bay with apparent ease (vs their ongoing problems with Andorians), and multiple Starfleet fighters have been shown to be able to fight them one on one (or in a group brawl in a certain starbase)
There's a lot going on in season 1. Season 2 is much better, fwiw.
My own take is that Borg Queen did not really become interested in humanity until they lost Locutus AND Locutus was involved in the Hugh Event which lost them an entire cube full of drones and showed a severe weakness in their species. Borq Queen shows up again after the Unimatrix Zero issue. She brings order to chaos, and in both of those situations, Starfleet brought Chaos to the Collective and needed to be addressed on a more personal level, which is the Queen's function. I don't think she was chasing down a mate.
In what way did Janeway have an interesting backstory at all? Sure Kira was a former terrorist, but her terrorism backstory was played pretty uninteresting most of the time. jadzia did have a very interesting backstory, but for the most part is wasn't very interestingly dealt with either the vast majority of the time. Honestly, Michael's backstory and character are as interesting as any of them, and to the writer's credit, they actually do interesting things with it most of the time, which is more than I can say, for those other three women. Now if you compared Michael to the women leads of Farscape, then, IMO, you'd have a decent argument to fall back on.
Chasing down a mate was exactly how it came across in First Contact, especially where it came to her implied motives behind enticing Data with sensual sensation by offering him human flesh.
The Borg work towards perfection. They already knew that Lore had nearly buiilt this own alternative Borg empire. Of course they would want Data. If seducing Data the collective would work.. i mean.. it IS Alice Krige. sign me up.
As you can probably guess, I disagree. I think Burnham is interesting in her own right, and her connections to Spock and Sarek add to that mythos.
Regardless, I don't see her going toe to toe with Klingons as any particular issue, since Burnham grew up on Vulcan, a planet with greater gravity and thinner atmosphere than Earth. Her physical ability shouldn't be in question.
Oh, I don't have any issue with Burnham going toe-to-toe with a Klingon.
Well, that was the source of my original question as to why Janeway, Jadzia and Kira could go toe to toe with Klingons with no issue but Michael immediately gets called out for it. That's the point I was trying to make.
I understand that not everyone is invested in her character. But, physical ability shouldn't be a question, to my mind.
Her general competance shouldn't be in question either. After all, the Sarek family doesn't, as a rule, produce average joes.
The problem with Discovery's use of Michael isn't her complicated backstory - or that she does many amazing things. The problem is that she's both subject and object of the show. She's the main character that we see the show from the point of, and much of the plot beyond even her character growth revolves around her. In the first season they barely even let two characters other than her have a conversation, and when they did it was only to move the plot forward.
I mean, imagine what Voyager would be like if every single episode was done from the POV of Seven of Nine. I bet a lot less people would like Seven.
I mean, imagine what Voyager would be like if every single episode was done from the POV of Seven of Nine. I bet a lot less people would like Seven.
Once 7 of 9 showed up Voyager very much became the 7 of 9 show, to the point that other actors complained, but the fanboys loved it. Maybe if Michael was more like 7 of 9 a lot more people would like her.
Hmmm...maybe I should be glad that Michael isn't as popular as I would like. When you put it that way.
I was never that fond of the women characters in the main casts of any of the Star Trek's between TOS and Disco. But then I loved Ivonova, the leads in Farscape, Leela and the first Romana, and Dutch from Killjoys and many others. I'm thinking the problem isn't me, but Berman era Trek ideals of female characterization.
Aeryn and Zhaan are both top notch, in my book.
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