Spoilers Picard Prequel "Children of Mars"
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Everyone keeps saying the ten forward set is on the Enterprise-D. However...
You guys all realize that there have been more than one Galaxy-class starship, right? Deep Space Nine and Voyager feature plenty of them in big fleet battles. Not to mention every Galaxy-class shown has a saucer outer rim full of windows exactly like the Enterprise-D. My theory is that in the dream sequence, Picard is reliving a memory where he is in the ten forward lounge on another, as-yet unnamed Galaxy-class starship which was at Mars on the day of the attack. Why he would be in ten forward and not on the bridge remains to be seen, although it is a dream so it doesn't have to make sense.
In short, unless there is some plaque or display that estabishes this is the Enterprise-D, I'm going to assume it's another ship of the same class.
You guys all realize that there have been more than one Galaxy-class starship, right? Deep Space Nine and Voyager feature plenty of them in big fleet battles. Not to mention every Galaxy-class shown has a saucer outer rim full of windows exactly like the Enterprise-D. My theory is that in the dream sequence, Picard is reliving a memory where he is in the ten forward lounge on another, as-yet unnamed Galaxy-class starship which was at Mars on the day of the attack. Why he would be in ten forward and not on the bridge remains to be seen, although it is a dream so it doesn't have to make sense.
In short, unless there is some plaque or display that estabishes this is the Enterprise-D, I'm going to assume it's another ship of the same class.
Technically, any number of starships could have a such a lounge, since they share the same saucer design.
But I think it's a dream sequence, and Picard is sitting in Ten Forward. It's probably tied to the shots of the Captain Picard Day banner. He's on a memory trip, which brings up this haunting episode.
Yes.... but.... Occam's Razor Says "the simplest explanation is the best explanation"
So what's simpler, to say that Picard in his dream in that is on Enterprise-D, the ship he is most closely associated with? This requires no further explanation.
Alternatively, if he is on a completely different galaxy class ship, the further questions arise. What ship is it? Why is he dreaming of that ship?
Or then he's not dreaming, in which case it can't be the E-D.
Just goes to show that Occam's Razor has no value whatsoever. There's no "simpler" in reality. There's no particular reason to think that one's own limited set of assumptions is better than a set that incorporates added assumptions to better fit the data, or that a particular added assumption is better than another. Indeed, in practice, outlandish assumptions have better matched reality than conservative ones in questions of the most profound "natural" nature ("time is not absolute", say), which doesn't bode well for questions over, say, issues affected by the human nature...
On the other hand, who wants "simple" in entertainment? Simple is always wrong or otherwise inferior. Complex is interesting.
Timo Saloniemi
For all we know, all the Trek cultures get their alarm sounds from common galactic stock anyway...
Timo Saloniemi
Specifically having to do with Entertainment there is definitely room for both. While many times I do indeed prefer a complex movie, that requires me to follow along closely, frequently I find a "dumb action" movie (as long as it's fun) just as satisfying. Think Independence Day (original), or Die Hard (original). Dumb as shit movies, but also fun as hell, and I watch them both yearly during their respective holidays (4th of July and Christmas)
Except this isn't reality. It's a fictional script. The trailers have been seemingly full of dream sequences, so there's every reason to assume that this is also a dream, especially with Picard's "I was haunted by my past" dialogue accompanying the scene.
As demonstrated in this thread the alert sound has been used in multiple different places for different things.
An alert sound occasionally heard is not the same as phaser sounds which are heard more commonly.
Oh, no disagreement there - it's the E-D and it's a dream (and it's those kiteships blowing up junk at Mars, too, so Picard is conflating the memory of a familiar location with the memory of his greatest defeat). It just doesn't amount to an "except": Occam doesn't get any more useful through this being fiction and a script.
Timo Saloniemi
Not every set we've seen in the trailers for Picard has been recognizable. It looks like the majority of the places we visit in Picard are going to be new, and even the one place we know we've seen, Starfleet Command, looks different from the last time we saw it in one of the 24th century series.
All the damn time. It's been so commonplace all over the Trek franchise since forever, I'm really not sure why we're drawing attention to it now and trying to make it prove something.
I guarantee this Short Trek has nothing to do with Best of Both Worlds at all.
Because CBS is ruining Trek or something.
Who cares what Starfleet command looks like. It's not even consistent from episode to episode of TNG. All presumed dream sequences we've seen harken back to TNG: Picard and Data's uniforms in the field painting scene, Data's uniform in the poker scene, the "Captain Picard Day" banner, even the freakin' tea cups in that scene are those used by Picard in TNG! It stands to reason that the room he's sitting in with the obviously recognizable windows is indeed Ten Forward (I think even the texture on the walls is the same).
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It’s not just the windows, the wall behind Picard is identical to the same wall on the Ten Forward set (with the triangular pattern).
And as for reused sound effects, I’m sure the Enterprise-E’s intruder alarm in Nemesis was DS9’s red alert at a different speed, or something. So yeah this is nothing new.
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