I want to see those damn turtleneck sweater uniforms from The Cage & WNMHGB!

[WebLurker]

Discussions like this sometimes lend me to think fandoms are just a little too obsessed by minutiae.

Yeah, that happens.

Still, it shows how different minds work in regards to the discrepancy; some want to discard one version, others would rather rationalize ways for them all to work, and some just want to say that it's art and neither version is the "real one."

 

[Yistaan]

Yeah, that happens.

Still, it shows how different minds work in regards to the discrepancy; some want to discard one version, others would rather rationalize ways for them all to work, and some just want to say that it's art and neither version is the "real one."

Hey the people who want to say the Enterprise-Disco bridge is the same as the Cage bridge are free to do so. They just also have to go on record saying that Kor, Kang, and Koloth had ridges in TOS too to be consistent.

 

[Mytran]

They just also have to go on record saying that Kor, Kang, and Koloth had ridges in TOS too to be consistent.

Of course they did! We just couldn't see them on the small sized low resolution TV screens around in the 1960s

 

[EDX]

Discussions like this sometimes lend me to think fandoms are just a little too obsessed by minutiae.

Only a little? You optimist you!

 

[WebLurker]

Hey the people who want to say the Enterprise-Disco bridge is the same as the Cage bridge are free to do so. They just also have to go on record saying that Kor, Kang, and Koloth had ridges in TOS too to be consistent.

Cranial reconstruction?

 

[Yistaan]

Cranial reconstruction?

Fanon. Antaak was only shown speculating about it, never shown having invented it. Smooth headed klingons in TOS show he didn't invent it even after 100 years. We have no canon source that the augment virus was ever cured.

Kor Kang and Koloth were clearly ridged in DS9. (The other TOS Klingon minions were outright said to have smooth foreheads in DS9, but not those 3). If one is going to pretend that the Cage bridge was the Disco-Enterprise bridge all along, they have to do the same for Kor, Kang and Koloth and say they had ridges all along in TOS too to be consistent.

 

[WebLurker]

Fanon. Antaak was only shown speculating about it, never shown having invented it.

My understanding was that the line was dropped in part to work as an explanation for that.

Kor Kang and Koloth were clearly ridged in DS9. (The other TOS Klingon minions were outright said to have smooth foreheads in DS9, but not those 3). If one is going to pretend that the Cage bridge was the Disco-Enterprise bridge all along, they have to do the same for Kor, Kang and Koloth and say they had ridges all along in TOS too to be consistent.

I suspect those who what to "pretend" that they're all the same would just view it all as artistic license. I'm a bit more literal, hence why I believe that the Big E was refitted a lot and all that.

 

[starfleettanner]

Having said that it WOULD be interesting to see an update of the Cage-pattern uniforms, if only to see how a modern costumer interpreted that particular aesthetic; oddly enough, this interest stems more from reading MYRIAD UNIVERSES - A LESS PERFECT UNION than from watching 'DISCO' itself.

I have that book and that is by far my favorite novella! I seriously want a sequel to it set in the TNG timeline. Also, I DID happen to point out that we DO see a DSC Cage inspired turtleneck design in the Short Trek "Trouble With Edward" minisode.

 

[WebLurker]

I have that book and that is by far my favorite novella! I seriously want a sequel to it set in the TNG timeline. Also, I DID happen to point out that we DO see a DSC Cage inspired turtleneck design in the Short Trek "Trouble With Edward" minisode.

Looks more like a DSC variant (not to mention that there seems to be no uniformity to the uniforms in that show, which include the ones we learned were new a few years later in DSC season 2).

 

[DaveyNY]

Looks more like a DSC variant (not to mention that there seems to be no uniformity to the uniforms in that show, which include the ones we learned were new a few years later in DSC season 2).

I was under the impression that the EDWARD short took place after DISCOVERY Season 2 anyway.
When Pike was back commanding the Enterprise.

 

[WebLurker]

I was under the impression that the EDWARD short took place after DISCOVERY Season 2 anyway.
When Pike was back commanding the Enterprise.

Oh. Maybe?

 

[DaveyNY]

Oh. Maybe?

Well that would make the most sense considering we do see the new uniforms.
At least in my mind, rather than assuming automatically that it's a production mistake.





(I'm saying this next part in general, it is NOT intended to be toward anybody in particular)

It seems from discussions I've read around here, that one might have an innate dislike of the current Trek productions in order to assume otherwise.

I'm an Original Trekkie and though there have been a few times I wasn't very happy with things CBS/Paramount have done (destroy the Enterprise/kill Kirk/No TOS-looking ships in DISOCVERY), I've never had that much disdain for any of the shows.


I find it dispiriting that some folks are that troubled by things that we as fans have no control over anyway.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Looks more like a DSC variant (not to mention that there seems to be no uniformity to the uniforms in that show, which include the ones we learned were new a few years later in DSC season 2).

Perhaps they were new as in 5 years old versus the Disco blues which are 30?

Don't get me wrong, it's paper thin but...

 

[Yistaan]

Perhaps they were new as in 5 years old versus the Disco blues which are 30?

Don't get me wrong, it's paper thin but...

The novels explained that the uniforms were only new to the fleet (like Discovery officers, who the line was said to) as of that line in Season 2, whereas before they were constitution class uniforms only (and thus not new to Pike and the Enterprise)

 

[fireproof78]

I find it dispiriting that some folks are that troubled by things that we as fans have no control over anyway.

'Tis the nature of fandom.

 

[NCC-73515]

Aren't we always troubled by things beyond our control, and maybe that's why they trouble us? XD

 

[DaveyNY]

Aren't we always troubled by things beyond our control, and maybe that's why they trouble us? XD

True, but it seems that some folks take it to the extreme when it comes to Star Trek.
(and other forms of entertainment)

I too have to remind myself occasionally that it's just a show, but never to the extent that I'd consider being more than a bit irrational about it.

 

[NCC-73515]

I think we're only more aware of inconsistencies cause trek was more consistent before and today's production people seem more careless

 

[fireproof78]

Aren't we always troubled by things beyond our control, and maybe that's why they trouble us? XD

Yes. In the clinical world I would see that as the potential for anxiety.

I think we're only more aware of inconsistencies cause trek was more consistent before and today's production people seem more careless

I don't think they care any more then about the things fan care about than now. GR being the first one.

 

[Jadeb]

I don’t think it’s carelessness so much as deliberate intention. They’re reimagining Trek, so it shouldn’t come as a shock that some people don’t like it.