Children of Mars takes place 15 years before the show starts, so a year before this comic.
Spoilers Clues on Picard show from Picard Countdown comic (possible spoilers)
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Read the script have ya? I'll wait and see.......if true then in last issue of the comic, but seems like that would be something best seen on screen.
No, but Kurtzman said it takes place 15 years before the show starts.
https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/21/sd...possible-pike-spock-enterprise-series-teased/
Kurtzman said:
Are those Kirk years or Khan years, though?
Which was doubly interesting because it was obviously both hopeless and unnecessary.
Hopeless because the planet was in what the heroes dubbed an "asteroid alley", under constant bombardment against which a single starship would be powerless. And unnecessary because obviously the place was doing fine despite that constant bombardment!
Whatever prompted Kirk to do this stupid thing, then? Why try and save folks in no need of saving? It's basically the opposite of "Homeward", in terms of need, means, timetable and so forth.
Which can be taken to mean that we shouldn't be all that amazed that the two skippers choose opposite courses of action, too.
Timo Saloniemi
Which was doubly interesting because it was obviously both hopeless and unnecessary.
Hopeless because the planet was in what the heroes dubbed an "asteroid alley", under constant bombardment against which a single starship would be powerless. And unnecessary because obviously the place was doing fine despite that constant bombardment!
Whatever prompted Kirk to do this stupid thing, then? Why try and save folks in no need of saving? It's basically the opposite of "Homeward", in terms of need, means, timetable and so forth.
Which can be taken to mean that we shouldn't be all that amazed that the two skippers choose opposite courses of action, too.
Timo Saloniemi
I think he was being less specific than you are............I don't see them doing the comic to set up the tragedy that happened during the evac then going to the year before that when nothing was happening. That's just me......
As They have done several times in the past, STO will just rewrite/adjust Their version to conform to the live-action shows/movies.
One of the devs said as much, changing the Odyssey's launch date is a small price to pay for having it show up in other material.
Homeland? Pen Pals? Star Trek Into Darkness?
If Picard is openly defying what he did before, it's not a contradiction as long as it's addressed. All they need is a line by Romulans/Starfleet Command saying, "Picard you had no problem leaving primitives to die in the name of the Prime Directive before, why are you so concerned now?" and Picard admitting past mistakes but refusing to continue them. Then resigning. Maybe that's what this comic is leading to.
I think the situation here looks is different to Pen Pals and Homeworld (where neither society were aware of intersteller life).
Once there was a specific request (no matter how it arrived), Picard chose to interfere. Quietly.
Before that moment in Pen Pals though, Picard quotes the Prime Directive, and specifically mentions "If an oppressive government is enslaving millions", the implication being that very few would argue they should interfere - the arguments from Pulaski and LaForge were "we should help because we can help because it's completely natural, they are unaware of why it's happening, and we can fix it without them being any the wiser"
One reason that Picard may not have wanted to be involved is the inevitable escalation. It swiftly went from silently saving a species to beaming down an artificial lifeform to save an individual. What next, beaming a stuck cat out of a tree? Once he did get involved though, he was "In for a penny, in for a pound"
Once there was a specific request (no matter how it arrived), Picard chose to interfere. Quietly.
Before that moment in Pen Pals though, Picard quotes the Prime Directive, and specifically mentions "If an oppressive government is enslaving millions", the implication being that very few would argue they should interfere - the arguments from Pulaski and LaForge were "we should help because we can help because it's completely natural, they are unaware of why it's happening, and we can fix it without them being any the wiser"
One reason that Picard may not have wanted to be involved is the inevitable escalation. It swiftly went from silently saving a species to beaming down an artificial lifeform to save an individual. What next, beaming a stuck cat out of a tree? Once he did get involved though, he was "In for a penny, in for a pound"
No, because we don't know what year the AGT future takes place. 25 years figure is a misconception. It was 25 years after Geordi and Picard has last served together, which was presumably quite a bit later than the present portion of the episode. In the unaltered timeline Picard was still Geordi's captain nine years after the present of AGT and there was no indication that either of them was leaving the Enterprise even then.
Anyway, I like that the comic seems to treat the supernova as a completely normal supernova. I hope it stays that way and they confirm it in the show as well.
And syncing with the reboot films really doesn't matter. They are effectively their own continuity and the purpose of this comic is to be a prequel to Picard, not to them.
And syncing with the reboot films really doesn't matter. They are effectively their own continuity and the purpose of this comic is to be a prequel to Picard, not to them.
The script for AGT states the future scenes are “twenty five years in the future”. Sure it wasn’t specifically mentioned onscreen, but the intention was for the scenes to be set in 2395.
Well, not canon nor does it make sense regarding what Geordi says. Neither he or Picard was leaving the Enterprise in 2370.
Geordi says “close to 25 years” since they were on the Enterprise so I guess their intent was (in the future timeline) for the crew to split up shortly after the “present” time in the episode. That might not make much sense looking back at the episode now but that’s what it was at the time.
It's not canon.
We all had the exact same canon debate about the first Countdown in 2009 and here's this one completely invalidating it.
Do we have WoG that its not canon or are we just assuming its not?
Assuming, based on a half-century of evidence.
The first Discovery novel was supposed to be "canon". Teaming up Spock and Michael Burnham. Then came Discovery season two. It is always best to err on the side of "not canon", because even if they say it is, odds are it'll end up contradicted in a major way somewhere down the road.
