Yeah, I thought that thing was a bomb and I was yelling at Ed not to smash the damn thing!
For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER
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Technically the moon doesn’t belong to anyone:
The Outer Space Treaty, formally the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, is a treaty that forms the basis of international space law. The treaty was opened for signature in the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union on 27 January 1967, and entered into force on 10 October 1967. As of June 2019, 109 countries are parties to the treaty, while another 23 have signed the treaty but have not completed ratification.
The treaty explicitly forbids any government to claim a celestial resource such as the Moon or a planet. Article II of the treaty states that "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means."
In our universe. Who knows, maybe in FAMverse the Treaty was never signed. Or looked very different.
Or just ignored, first by Nixon and then the Soviets. How do you enforce something like that, once one party decides to violate it? You go to the UN and file a formal protest?
I mentioned it here because in this last episode they had Ed referring to “our territory” inside the crater.
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Agree.. treaties are worthless if you can't enforce them and if one of the two superpowers doesn't abide only the other superpower can force them to and that's how wars begin.
It was quite evident in the episode as Baldwin, being a NASA employee, is still a military man and gets antsy when his mortal enemy the Soviets come ever closer and actually are snooping around "his turf". It's exacebated by the other military officer during the conference call who is pushing ever more to get the project militarized despite the civilian NASA guy objecting.
Now that Baldwin's son is dead no one knows how he will react.. he's all alone up there, the Russians are creeping closer and no one around to calm him down and provide some human comfort. I can understand if he snaps and makes a very bad call (and smashing that Soviet camera is not the bad call).
What i also really liked about the episode is to see how far we have come socially in a few decades.. being gay or lesbian is not a automatic career killer anymore and we now know far more about PTSD and other psychological issues. However if an astronaut would display such psychotic behaviour today he would still be dismissed but at least he would get official help and maybe retain at least an administrative job.
This treaty, however, does leave celestial bodies open to being owned by corporations, however.
I’m worried now about the Russian response, are they going to sabotage the mining gear? The LM? Jamestown base itself? Is there a way to lock the door from the inside?
There may be ten mile wide asteroids made of gold out there, it will take the motivation (greed) of private industry to find a way to bring them back here.
Would really tank the value of gold tho.
There was the real-world case of Lisa Nowak, who had an affair with a fellow astronaut and apparently planned to kill his new girlfriend. Nowak was arrested and charged with assault in 2007, which led to her dismissal from NASA and a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy. This happened only seven months after serving as a mission specialist on Discovery during STS-121.
I am caught up through the current episode.
As with many streaming shows I wasn't really hooked until about the 4th episode. I thought the 1st was kind of tepid, frankly. And while I appreciate rounded characters some of the family stuff feels a tad drawn out. The old school male astronauts are the least compelling characters. The mission control people, the wives, and the female astronauts have ended up far more interesting.
Yay! No sound in space!
Yay! Tom Lehrer!
As with many streaming shows I wasn't really hooked until about the 4th episode. I thought the 1st was kind of tepid, frankly. And while I appreciate rounded characters some of the family stuff feels a tad drawn out. The old school male astronauts are the least compelling characters. The mission control people, the wives, and the female astronauts have ended up far more interesting.
Yay! No sound in space!
Yay! Tom Lehrer!
I liked that the show got a bit out of the testosterone bullpen by episode 3, although I find it hard to swallow that NASA could slam a bunch of raw candidates through the necessary basic astronaut training and mission-specific training in such an accelerated fashion, but I roll with it.
I like addressing the moral ambiguity of Werner von Braun.
I choke a bit on Ed's "we stopped taking risks" thing because so far we're not seeing the repercussions of the decision to push that. There's a balance there the show's not quite hitting. The launchpad explosion we see is about political expedience and not pushing too far too fast. The Challenger disaster happened in part because NASA was under such intense political pressure to get shuttles launched. I expected something similar here.
Likewise some of the dramatic technological leaps made feel a little far-fetched, especially the idea either side's space program could shift gears and get habitats on the Moon so quickly. And, c'mon, a BetaMax? Barely released in 1974. The show would have have felt more grounded (ha) in reality with a reel-to-reel VTR (Video Tape Recorder) like a late 60s or early 70s AMPEX.
Speaking of reality the vernacular of the show is often a bit too modern. Mad Men did a pretty good job of hewing towards the way people talked in the 1960s even though it had it's share of misses. There are moments in this show when something comes out of someone's mouth that sounds so out of place it kicks me out of the 70s.
I'm always a little uneasy with the fictional portrayal of real-life people. And while I get that many of the characters on the show are fictional many borrow a name or nickname from their inspiration, which I worry muddies the distinction between fact and fiction. Molly Cobb is named for Geraldyn M. Cobb, one of the actual Mercury 13, and real-world astronaut Gordon Cooper's "Gordo" nickname is given to fictional "Gordo" Stevens. the names and roles are so close I think many of those who remember there was a real "Gordo" are likely to assume this is him and not an homage. Blowing up Gene Kranz (still alive today)... eek. Unnecessary.
The Star Trek reference...oh no they could not just let it be that Danielle knows actor John Fielding was in Trek, but she knows the name of the character he played. Would be been funnier if she's also revealed he was the voice of Piglet, as more viewers would connect to that.
I like addressing the moral ambiguity of Werner von Braun.
I choke a bit on Ed's "we stopped taking risks" thing because so far we're not seeing the repercussions of the decision to push that. There's a balance there the show's not quite hitting. The launchpad explosion we see is about political expedience and not pushing too far too fast. The Challenger disaster happened in part because NASA was under such intense political pressure to get shuttles launched. I expected something similar here.
Likewise some of the dramatic technological leaps made feel a little far-fetched, especially the idea either side's space program could shift gears and get habitats on the Moon so quickly. And, c'mon, a BetaMax? Barely released in 1974. The show would have have felt more grounded (ha) in reality with a reel-to-reel VTR (Video Tape Recorder) like a late 60s or early 70s AMPEX.
Speaking of reality the vernacular of the show is often a bit too modern. Mad Men did a pretty good job of hewing towards the way people talked in the 1960s even though it had it's share of misses. There are moments in this show when something comes out of someone's mouth that sounds so out of place it kicks me out of the 70s.
I'm always a little uneasy with the fictional portrayal of real-life people. And while I get that many of the characters on the show are fictional many borrow a name or nickname from their inspiration, which I worry muddies the distinction between fact and fiction. Molly Cobb is named for Geraldyn M. Cobb, one of the actual Mercury 13, and real-world astronaut Gordon Cooper's "Gordo" nickname is given to fictional "Gordo" Stevens. the names and roles are so close I think many of those who remember there was a real "Gordo" are likely to assume this is him and not an homage. Blowing up Gene Kranz (still alive today)... eek. Unnecessary.
The Star Trek reference...oh no they could not just let it be that Danielle knows actor John Fielding was in Trek, but she knows the name of the character he played. Would be been funnier if she's also revealed he was the voice of Piglet, as more viewers would connect to that.
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Well, the US and USSR aren't claiming the moon. They are, however, claiming their property they placed on the moon. Jamestown Station, the mining equipment, etc... Can't keep them from trespassing, as noted by seeing the Soviet lunar rover tracks, but they definitely can protest the use of spy cameras.
We'll have to see what repercussions destroying the camera causes.
Wow episode 9...
Talk about going dark... We got Apollo 24 with Deke & Ellen going horribly off course and the other member of the crew burnt up by the thruster. Then after making people think Ed was backing away from confronting the Soviets he kills a cosmonaut in the dock by letting out the oxygen...
Only thing missing was his wife overdosing. Which was hinted at with the pill bottle.
I was waiting for Molly to remove her own helmet to kill yourself so the lives weren't risked to rescue her. Glad that wasn't the case as I like her character a lot.
Only thing missing was his wife overdosing. Which was hinted at with the pill bottle.
I was waiting for Molly to remove her own helmet to kill yourself so the lives weren't risked to rescue her. Glad that wasn't the case as I like her character a lot.
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Wow. That was an amazing episode. It started off slowly but steady dealing with the ramifications of the last episode (I loved Karen getting high with Wayne in order to deal with her with grief and trauma), but the final quarter kicked in high gear.
I figured things wouldn't go completely smoothly with fixing Apolo 24 but fuck. I didn't expect that. Suddenly Molly was enacting Gravity and for the briefest of moments, I really thought she would die out there, especially when Margo tried to take the easy route (I hate that she's inevitably going to get punished for that). Those final ten minutes were properly intense, right on the level of Ron Howard's Apollo 13, leading to the successful rescue of Molly.
But Apollo 25 is way off course and we don't even know if they're even alive.
And as if that wasn't enough, Ed killed one of the Russian astronauts because he's so damn angry and filled with grief. I don't blame him but fuck, I was really hoping he would take the high road. Fuck.
On a side note, and this is probably just me, but the conversation between Danielle and Gordo and how she didn't want him to do "the right thing and come clean," knowing that it would fuck her career reminded me of the conversation between BoJack and Gina in the season 5 finale of BoJack Horseman. Completely different circumstances, but the same idea, the same godsdamn sexism.
I figured things wouldn't go completely smoothly with fixing Apolo 24 but fuck. I didn't expect that. Suddenly Molly was enacting Gravity and for the briefest of moments, I really thought she would die out there, especially when Margo tried to take the easy route (I hate that she's inevitably going to get punished for that). Those final ten minutes were properly intense, right on the level of Ron Howard's Apollo 13, leading to the successful rescue of Molly.
But Apollo 25 is way off course and we don't even know if they're even alive.
And as if that wasn't enough, Ed killed one of the Russian astronauts because he's so damn angry and filled with grief. I don't blame him but fuck, I was really hoping he would take the high road. Fuck.
On a side note, and this is probably just me, but the conversation between Danielle and Gordo and how she didn't want him to do "the right thing and come clean," knowing that it would fuck her career reminded me of the conversation between BoJack and Gina in the season 5 finale of BoJack Horseman. Completely different circumstances, but the same idea, the same godsdamn sexism.
Damn.. it got even darker than last episode.
Things are really spiralling out of control and unfortunately i had a hunch about Ed losing it and doing something stupid and he did. I still have a little hope he is just scaring the Russian because the pressure system seems to work quite fast and you don't die immediately if oxygen cuts out (though absent pressure may still do some physical damage).
If he really killed that Cosmonaut and it gets out - that's how a war can start and apparently Commie paranoia is well and very alive in this reality.
The repair/rescue attempt was also very tense and well done but somehow i have a feeling Apollo 24 may be able to correct course.
Honestly, in reality the astronauts should be punished, especially Tracy and Gordo for disobeying a direct order. Margo was right.. it was a high risk of losing all 3 vs losing just one astronaut. While they may be not in the military it would have been a court martial offense for the astronauts. This being a civilian organization and counting in the fact that they got lucky and were able to pull it off makes them heroes in the public mind which will influence the decision heavily and at most they'll be slapped behind closed doors.
Unfortunately Margo is the big loser there.. she lost face completely when her subordinates simply refused her order and people will remember that. Double unfortunate is that she's not a people person so while brilliant at the technical side of her job she lacks the people skills to truly be a leader which may see her leave in the long term (or being asked to leave).
Season finale is going to be bonkers!
Things are really spiralling out of control and unfortunately i had a hunch about Ed losing it and doing something stupid and he did. I still have a little hope he is just scaring the Russian because the pressure system seems to work quite fast and you don't die immediately if oxygen cuts out (though absent pressure may still do some physical damage).
If he really killed that Cosmonaut and it gets out - that's how a war can start and apparently Commie paranoia is well and very alive in this reality.
The repair/rescue attempt was also very tense and well done but somehow i have a feeling Apollo 24 may be able to correct course.
Honestly, in reality the astronauts should be punished, especially Tracy and Gordo for disobeying a direct order. Margo was right.. it was a high risk of losing all 3 vs losing just one astronaut. While they may be not in the military it would have been a court martial offense for the astronauts. This being a civilian organization and counting in the fact that they got lucky and were able to pull it off makes them heroes in the public mind which will influence the decision heavily and at most they'll be slapped behind closed doors.
Unfortunately Margo is the big loser there.. she lost face completely when her subordinates simply refused her order and people will remember that. Double unfortunate is that she's not a people person so while brilliant at the technical side of her job she lacks the people skills to truly be a leader which may see her leave in the long term (or being asked to leave).
Season finale is going to be bonkers!
Check out the preview for next week’s episode, post-credits.
Just wondered if Apple Computer happens in this timeline (ironic, since this is an Apple TV show and all.) If a cheap 8-bit microprocessor hits the market sooner than expected, Jobs and Woz are no longer in the right place at the right time with the Apple I, someone else will beat them to it. If Ed Roberts at MITS doesn’t develop the Altair 8800 in 1975, then maybe there is never a Microsoft either.
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the astronaut stand off was cool. Was kinda hoping they'd open up their sun visors to see eye to eye.
Really hoping the Russian Fax guy isn't the one that was airlocked by Ed.
Deke & Co lost in space?
What an episode!
Really hoping the Russian Fax guy isn't the one that was airlocked by Ed.
Deke & Co lost in space?
What an episode!
I'll be surprised if 24 is gone. Would they really put Deke up there just to kill him off camera?
Maybe I missed it, but did anyone from 25 see the 24 redshirt astronaut get toasted? Or are they just assuming he's being dragged along by 24? And why was his umbilical so damned long in the first place?
Maybe I missed it, but did anyone from 25 see the 24 redshirt astronaut get toasted? Or are they just assuming he's being dragged along by 24? And why was his umbilical so damned long in the first place?
Honestly if the show spent a bit more time with the astronauts and flight controllers than the family drama it would be better. Right now the balance is slightly off. I like the Earthside stuff, but there's just slightly too much focus on it.
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