Episode three had some great action!
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Yeah I was impressed. Really felt like a live action Clone Wars episode. I could have done without the flying salute at the very end. I do love cheese though.......lol.
It was pretty cheesy. Lol
You know, I thought that Dave Filoni was involved with this show, but these Mandalorians are so far removed from even the shitty ones in TCW and Rebels that I'm starting to think he only had a "in name only" contribution to the show.
Seriously, I may hate the TCW/Rebels Mandalorians, and will only ever consider the Karen traviss Mandalorians to be the "real" ones, but I actually hate these obtuse shitheads more then the animated Mandos. I mean, come the fuck on, they never remove their helmets? Dave Filoni wrote a whole fucking show where a mandalorian barely wore her helmet. Also, all of this bullshit culture doesn't match any previous version of the Mandos, and its pretty stupid. they aren't hiding underground, literally or figuratively, and they definitely remove their helmets on a regular basis.
To be fair, I guess the animated mandalorians also made no sense when it came to TCW vs Rebels (where in Rebels the Mandalorians had obviously been warriors for centuries and had never been pacifists like in TCW). So I guess the Mandalorians are now just literally going to be completely different, and basically totally unrelated to each other, every time we see them. Either that or in the, what, 10 years between the end of Rebels and The Mandalorian the Mandos grew a brand new, bullshit obtuse warrior culture where they live underground and presumably intake food through intravenous means (since they can't remove their helmets they can't even use a feeding tube, and it must stink to never brush your teeth or clean your face/hair).
Combine that with this shows titular Mandoalorian being a pathetic wimp who loses to the weakest and most easily defeated aliens in the Galaxy, and this show has issues. I don't dislike the show, it has good action and some interesting story stuff, but the Mandalorian himself and his ridiculous, nonsensical culture are easily the worst parts of the show.
Seriously, I may hate the TCW/Rebels Mandalorians, and will only ever consider the Karen traviss Mandalorians to be the "real" ones, but I actually hate these obtuse shitheads more then the animated Mandos. I mean, come the fuck on, they never remove their helmets? Dave Filoni wrote a whole fucking show where a mandalorian barely wore her helmet. Also, all of this bullshit culture doesn't match any previous version of the Mandos, and its pretty stupid. they aren't hiding underground, literally or figuratively, and they definitely remove their helmets on a regular basis.
To be fair, I guess the animated mandalorians also made no sense when it came to TCW vs Rebels (where in Rebels the Mandalorians had obviously been warriors for centuries and had never been pacifists like in TCW). So I guess the Mandalorians are now just literally going to be completely different, and basically totally unrelated to each other, every time we see them. Either that or in the, what, 10 years between the end of Rebels and The Mandalorian the Mandos grew a brand new, bullshit obtuse warrior culture where they live underground and presumably intake food through intravenous means (since they can't remove their helmets they can't even use a feeding tube, and it must stink to never brush your teeth or clean your face/hair).
Combine that with this shows titular Mandoalorian being a pathetic wimp who loses to the weakest and most easily defeated aliens in the Galaxy, and this show has issues. I don't dislike the show, it has good action and some interesting story stuff, but the Mandalorian himself and his ridiculous, nonsensical culture are easily the worst parts of the show.
Few things.
Mandos are not exactly a United people. There are dozens of diffrent clans. Some are likely to be far more tranditionlists than others.
Also the events in rebels on madalore likely royally pissed off the empire and they returned in force in a purge forcing mandalorians underground.
Also rebels made it clear that a lot of mandalorians where losing their way.
Also such a event may make then far more traditionalist.
On a unrelated note. I wonder if the baby Yoda is connected some how to snoke? Is snoke some sort of genetically engineered force Frankenstein the imperial rement cooked up?
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Always a great point that races do not have monolithic cultures.
Please tell me this means that you're not going to watch it anymore and therefore won't be posting in this thread anymore. Or is that just wishful thinking?
Yeah, this seems to confirm my assumption from previous episodes that this particular "tribe" (not "clan" or "house" which may be indicative all on it's own) aren't just Mandalorians but hardcore "back the the ancient ways of The Mandalore" Mandalorians. It make sense that when a people have suffered what sounds like a pogrom that some cling to the old ways all the more tightly and reject the new reformist pacifist ways that failed them.
The presence of a Vizla (and yes, that was 100% Favreau's voice) does also support the idea that the nucleus of this tribe is what was left of Death Watch after the Clone Wars.
It's actually a neat way of staying true to Lucas's version while still incorporating a lot of the feel of the old EU material. Other Mandalorians can still exist out there like Sabine and Bo Katan that don't subscribe to the extremist doctrine, and others still that may try to put back together some semblance of the society that Satine created.
Indeed, the idea that "the foundlings are the future" kinda proves that this is a *very* small tribe hiding out on the edge of civilisation; They have to adopt orphans and strays to grow there numbers in any meaningful way.
The presence of a Vizla (and yes, that was 100% Favreau's voice) does also support the idea that the nucleus of this tribe is what was left of Death Watch after the Clone Wars.
It's actually a neat way of staying true to Lucas's version while still incorporating a lot of the feel of the old EU material. Other Mandalorians can still exist out there like Sabine and Bo Katan that don't subscribe to the extremist doctrine, and others still that may try to put back together some semblance of the society that Satine created.
Indeed, the idea that "the foundlings are the future" kinda proves that this is a *very* small tribe hiding out on the edge of civilisation; They have to adopt orphans and strays to grow there numbers in any meaningful way.
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Are you kidding? This guy watches EVERYTHING he hates so he has something to say online. It's his reason for living.
Anyway, awesome episode!! And really, is it me, or with that ending..... Did the first three episodes feel like one long movie?
Sounds about right. It's not like there cannot be that level of variation within cultures and become highly reactionary, especially given the intense political climate after the fall of the Empire.
Mandalorians are known for being very losely governend and being nomadic.
That will lend itself to multiple subcultures.
You will have some like Clan wren that will be very liberal for mandalorians and then hardcore fundies like deathwatch and everything inbetween.
Episode 3 is the first episode I thought was great. It definitely seems that the first 3 episodes were conceived as a feature length movie. I’m excited to see where it goes next.
Also worth remembering the Mandalore ruled 1000 systems during the Clone Wars. Whether or not all of those were colonised worlds, or whether some of them were vassal or client systems (probably the former given how the ancoent Mandalorians were conquerors)
Clan Wren was part of House Vizla AND Deathwatch. House Kryze were the pacifists. Well Satine was anyway, we still don't have the full story of what went down with her and her sister or what the most recent Mandalorian Civil War was all about yet (beyond the obvious.)
Here's the thing about nomadic warrior cultures: they're parasitic. You can't have an entire people dedicated to training and combat unless they have an underclass that do all the actual work of a society (like the Spartans had their helots and Vikings had the whole "murder people, steal their shit and sell the survivors as slaves" thing.) Basically indentured workers, or slaves kept under threat of violence, which is exactly how Vizla and even Bo Katan behaved right here.
The Mandos we see in all the cool armor aren't the average people of Mandalore, they're the aristocracy. The rulers and "noble" families. I mean, who else could even afford to wear so much beskar?
What we're seeing with The Tribe is basically a cult that fetishises that part of the culture as if there was nothing else. They may be able to put some of that creed to protecting the innocent, but make no mistake, it's a legacy of the strong dominating and abusing the defenceless. Thuggery masquerading as honour. There's a reason the Jedi had to shut these guys down and why their own constant infighting reduced their homeworld to a lifeless husk.
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Now you are just being deliberately obtuse. They don't remove their helmets around other people. Or do you think women who wear burkas also never take them off ever because they don't do it in public?
Indeed, indeed.
It blows my mind, still, that the idea of a planet (much less a 1000 systems) might have a huge variety of cultures on it. One need only look at Earth to recognize that a huge amount cultures can exists on one world. Yet, any alien cultures are expected to adhere to one narrow definition?
That's the equivalent of arriving in Mexico and being shocked that people are not wearing kilts, and tossing logs (deliberate stereotype is deliberate).
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