Do you think Moriarty is still in that cube

[Timo]

Unless it was destroyed (or left behind, like the priceless Kurlan naiskos) in Generations...

Clearly it was just a replica Picard keeps in his ready room.
Hard to imagine Starfleet just leaves all their stuff on the planet for anyone to pick over. I posit there's a big time-cut between Picard/Riker beaming up and the Faragut leaving orbit.

Maybe sometime after "Ship in a Bottle", the containment unit containing Moriarty was transferred somewhere else. A Starfleet research facility, for example. The cube may not have been on the ship when it crashed.

In ST Beyond, we learn starships have these big vaults for collecting priceless stuff, and the plot is set in motion when Spock files the Abornath and the entry is relayed to the villain. Certainly the vaults are to be emptied at some point - but Krall apparently rests assured that Kirk would not leave the Abornath at the Yorktown station.

So, when do they get cleansed of these relics? At the conclusion of each five-year mission, thus finally establishing how a "five-year mission" is defined? But Picard never was on such a mission, so perhaps nobody ever emptied his vaults...

OTOH, given replicators, there would be little problem in having a unique object aboard a starship. With the push of a button, the unique object could also be found at fifteen museums, two private collections and one lab shelf marked "odo ital".

As regards Moriarty, he probably was Picard's dirty little secret never entered into a log or otherwise revealed to the broader Starfleet. Picard just hoped the problem would go away, but didn't have the heart to press "delete" at any point.

Since the ship was more or less intact at Veridian III, quite possibly Moriarty survived till the moment when the torpedo volley from the Farragut finally vaporized the saucer.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Oh yeah, that's almost certainly a guarantee. Especially since some of the information already available about Picard contradicts the novels.

Weren't the post S7 DS9 novels the only ones considered canon?

The SW EU novels pre-sequel trilogy were canon, until they weren't.

 

[Timo]

And the Taylor VOY novels. And select chapters of certain novelizations. And p.47 of the Spaceflight Chronology. Except not.

But there's no obstacle to stuff in the novels making its way to the screen. Except of course money. So keep looking for references to written word by the same people who make the screen flicker.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Herbert]

He's most likely taken over the entire Cube Universe by now.

And he knows he's not in the actual universe and he's pissed about it. Once he figures out how to get out, it's going to be The Wrath of Moriarty. Watch out Jean Luc.

 

[Prax]

And the Taylor VOY novels. And select chapters of certain novelizations. And p.47 of the Spaceflight Chronology. Except not.
Why select chapters?
But there's no obstacle to stuff in the novels making its way to the screen. Except of course money. So keep looking for references to written word by the same people who make the screen flicker.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Wormhole]

Weren't the post S7 DS9 novels the only ones considered canon?

No Star Trek novel has ever been considered canon.

 

[Tomalak]

No Star Trek novel has ever been considered canon.

Jeri Taylor's Voyager novels were considered canon by the Voyager writers - Mosaic and Pathways. I'm not sure if that's still the case, as certain elements may have been contradicted in later episodes after she left the show.

 

[The Wormhole]

Jeri Taylor's Voyager novels were considered canon by the Voyager writers - Mosaic and Pathways.

Not exactly. Although at one time the official Star Trek site did list them as being canon, the people at Pocket Books never treated them as such. Regardless, after Jeri Taylor left Voyager, there were episodes which contradicted both books, thereby making them non-canon anyway.

 

[saladdays]

Not exactly. Although at one time the official Star Trek site did list them as being canon, the people at Pocket Books never treated them as such. Regardless, after Jeri Taylor left Voyager, there were episodes which contradicted both books, thereby making them non-canon anyway.

Just playing devil's advocate at bit (since it doesn't seem to make a difference now), but does it matter what the people at Pocket Books thought?

 

[Timo]

Or what the people at the official Star Trek site did?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Prax]

Or what the producers thought?

 

[Qonundrum]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

And he knows he's not in the actual universe and he's pissed about it. Once he figures out how to get out, it's going to be The Wrath of Moriarty. Watch out Jean Luc.

I could see him going about it in some manner akin to Tron: Legacy. Holo-army, march on to victory!

 

[Noname Given]

I think he was until the 1701-D crashed into Veridian III (ST: Generations) -- After that, just a pile of broken Holographic memory chips.

 

[Lance]

I wonder how, if the hologram cube did get destroyed in the Veridian crash, that would have manifested itself in the 'inside universe' for Moriaty and bride?

There's something reassuring about the idea that it would just 'switch off' and they'd be gone, like someone dying peacefully in their sleep, but what if the cube falling from a table in Barclay's quarters and splitting apart manifested as their shuttle burning up inside a sun, or some cataclysmic event destroying the entire pocket hologram 'universe'?

 

[Jayson1]

I always wondered how accurate the similation was. Did it write in a Dominion War. Are all the aliens the same. What if they met aliens the Federation knows about but not many detail. For example what if they went to the Gamma Quadrant. Eventually they could meet aliens a second time that isn't consitent with first meeting since maybe the real Starfleet has learned more and updated the program. Jason

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

I always wondered how accurate the similation was. Did it write in a Dominion War. Are all the aliens the same. What if they met aliens the Federation knows about but not many detail. For example what if they went to the Gamma Quadrant. Eventually they could meet aliens a second time that isn't consitent with first meeting since maybe the real Starfleet has learned more and updated the program. Jason

When he reached the edge of the program's content, I'm betting he had a Truman Show moment where bumped up against the wall of it, realized the truth, and yelled "Picaaaaard!"

 

[F. King Daniel]

We're all in the cube.

 

[Prax]

They said he would live out a normal lifespan, so maybe he wouldn't reach the edge.

 

[Mojochi]

He made a cube while living inside the cube, and uses it to torture a self-realized Sherlock Holmes