Do you think Moriarty is still in that cube

[at Quark's]

Here is the fragment:

MORIARTY: How long have I been locked away?
BARCLAY: Well, it looks like about four years.
MORIARTY: It seemed longer.
BARCLAY: What are you talking about? You can't possibly have been aware of the passage of time.
MORIARTY: But I was. Brief, terrifying periods of consciousness. Disembodied. Without substance.
BARCLAY: I don't see how that could be possible. Maybe there was a fragmentation of the protected memory circuits.
MORIARTY: Call it what you will. All I know is that despite Picard's promise, he's done nothing. Just left me to go quietly mad.
BARCLAY: He would not have forgotten his promise. The Captain would not do that.
MORIARTY: I'd like to talk to him.
BARCLAY: Well, I can ask.
MORIARTY: Ask him to meet me in the sitting room at Baker Street. That would be far more appropriate.
BARCLAY: I'll have to store you in memory again until I get an answer.

So he doesn't actually say he was conscious the whole time. I find it a bit hard to though reconcile those "brief, terrifying periods of consciousness" with his "seemed longer than 4 years", but then again we don't know anything about how a sentient but "disembodied" holodeck character would experience time in the first place ....

 

[Sidewinder]

A little bit off topic but kind of not....

Moriarty was aware and "awake" the whole time he was stored in holodeck memory.
As I was lying in bed eyes closed I started to wonder, what it might have been like, in a way being aware but not existing?

Or was Moriarty able to move around through different programs in the holodeck while stored?

As he described it, it wasn't a nice experience.

Moriarty was devious and dangerous. Had Picard not been a man of his word, he'd just have shot the program chip into whatever pulsar that the Enterprise was passing by or sent him back to Nagilum for his personal research.

That's why I'd be a better Cardassian Gul or Romulan Commander than a Starfleet Captain.

 

[Prax]

Perhaps whenever they activated a Sherlock Holmes program, Moriarty experienced awareness.

 

[FreddyE]

Unless it was destroyed (or left behind, like the priceless Kurlan naiskos) in Generations...

In my head-canon the naiskos was not left behind, nor the other priceless artefacts Picard had collected. A specialist salvage team was sent by Star Fleet to remove any functioning technology from the wreckage and pick up any personal belongings of the crew to be delivered via Star Fleet Headquarters in nice retina-scan protected boxes.

 

[ThankQ]

The novels covered this.
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/The_Light_Fantastic

Holy fuck. Moriarty, Lal, Faja and harry fucking Mudd?

That there is what the hill people call fanwank.

 

[The Wormhole]

Holy fuck. Moriarty, Lal, Faja and harry fucking Mudd?

That there is what the hill people call fanwank.

And that's tame compared to some novels.

 

[lazarus+]

And that's tame compared to some novels.

I'd be interested in any anecdotes you think good. I haven't read a Star Trek novel in more than ten years, only little bitty blurbs on Beta Memory when I am reading about something related to what I do know about. (TV and movies, mostly)

 

[The Wormhole]

If you're looking for fanwank, you can never go wrong with The Return by William Shatner. Renegade Romulans team up with the Borg to resurrect Kirk and brainwash to kill Picard. After beating up every character from the TNG cast, Kirk and Picard have a showdown in which Kirk's brainwashing is undone. So teaming up with the TNG cast, Kirk is joined by Spock and McCoy as they journey into the Delta Quadrant, to V'Ger's machine world, which is conveniently enough the Borg homeworld. Kirk sacrifices his life to destroy the Borg once and for all.

 

[Marsden]

I know the internet wasn't really big when TNG aired but what makes anyone think Moriarty hasn't transmitted himself to somewhere else in the UFP net?

He's probably downloaded himself into the 2nd Death Star or something.

 

[lazarus+]

If you're looking for fanwank, you can never go wrong with The Return by William Shatner. Renegade Romulans team up with the Borg to resurrect Kirk and brainwash to kill Picard. After beating up every character from the TNG cast, Kirk and Picard have a showdown in which Kirk's brainwashing is undone. So teaming up with the TNG cast, Kirk is joined by Spock and McCoy as they journey into the Delta Quadrant, to V'Ger's machine world, which is conveniently enough the Borg homeworld. Kirk sacrifices his life to destroy the Borg once and for all.

I remember that one, I think I saw it in the library ages ago. Yikes.

Yeah, V'Ger as Borg origin plus Kirk revive. I do remember that one.

 

[at Quark's]

I know the internet wasn't really big when TNG aired but what makes anyone think Moriarty hasn't transmitted himself to somewhere else in the UFP net?

He's probably downloaded himself into the 2nd Death Star or something.

Perhaps, perhaps not,. It was also in the days you could get rid of a dangerous alien computer virus, supposed to be centuries or even millennia ahead of you, by rebooting your ship ....

 

[Prax]

Surely you can still get rid of a "virus" through a factory reset?

 

[Tuskin38]

I doubt it! I read that recently and it completely ignores the novelverse, and appears to be totally incompatible with what we know about Star Trek: Picard.

They did use some stuff from the Biography (pictures from it at least) in the Picard 'museum' exhibit shown at Vegas, Comic-Con and Destination Star Trek.

Holy fuck. Moriarty, Lal, Faja and harry fucking Mudd?

That there is what the hill people call fanwank.

I'd be interested in any anecdotes you think good. I haven't read a Star Trek novel in more than ten years, only little bitty blurbs on Beta Memory when I am reading about something related to what I do know about. (TV and movies, mostly)

It's not as bad as it sounds. It's a really good book. The entire series is.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Me, I'd nuke the cube in a 2000W microwave oven, and in keeping with Moriarty canon, drop it from great height.

 

[Death Ray]

I’m sure once the Doctor learned the secret of his mobile emitter, a copy was made abailable to Moriarity. Regina will of course stay in tne cube, having become a jungle queen on Risa.

 

[AllisonR]

The worst fate is Ferengi find it in the wreckage and turn it into a spam filled porno universe. Nothing but pleasure planets and giant adds in the middle of space. Worst the spam is so bad Moriaty and his love constanty get annoyed when the universe freezes up till that spinning wheel thing stops and speed is back to normal. Jason

The Ferengi did find it, but since it was damaged they sold off holographic pieces of Moriarty to the highest bidder.

 

[Marshall Bezant]

It probably went down with the ship in Generations.

According to Data as he explained how he created Moriarty universe It could only exist in the computers circuitry on that ship. Unless they moved him to someplace in Starfleet, he would have perished in that ship. I hope not. I would like to see more of that story.

 

[Kor]

According to Data as he explained how he created Moriarty universe It could only exist in the computers circuitry on that ship. Unless they moved him to someplace in Starfleet, he would have perished in that ship. I hope not. I would like to see more of that story.

The program kept running in that little cube and the portable memory module it was plugged into, completely independent from the ship's computer.

Kor

 

[Marshall Bezant]

I agree of course. But was it removed before the ship was destroyed?
I would like to think that while they were at Starfleet at some point in the future, they would have removed them to the laboratories or technicians for further study. This should allow for a future novel if one has not already been written. I know I'm late to the game but it's been on my mind ever since the episode aired. Also, since the developments made in Voyager.

 

[JesterFace]

Even though I don't like 'Generations' movie, at all, (for me TNG ends with 'All Good Things...') I'd like to think that since the cube where Moriarty's program was stored was basically something you could store on a shelf, it was simply taken from the wreck and taken along with the crew.

'Ship in a Bottle' could also be the final episode of every TNG marathon, Barclay says "end program" and then end credits.