CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

[Maurice]

To be fair, a lot of people crowed that they would never get around to filming anything, and he's finally done that, however shady the circumstances.

This whole thing is a Kobayashi Maru: if Alec is at all impeded or perceived to be impeded from making the film we'll never hear the end of it, and if he finishes it, the faithful will cheer it to the heavens no matter how shitty it is.

I'll just be over here holding my nose.

 

[SITZKRIEG!]

Whatever emnity they potentially gain by taking him to arbitration, it won't matter to CBS. RIght or wrong, they already paid the "sue a fan" tax the first time around and the relatively small amount of people new to Axanar (if the funding totals pre and post are used as a gauge) who will just read the headlines and not delve deeper won't affect the bottom line much. Unless a quality finished Axanar product is released to really change anyone's mind, both battlelines are drawn and we're effectively in static trench warfare for years ala WW1 at this point.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

One of the things that occurs to me about the Star Drek Axanot uniforms: it screams designed by someone who fails to understand costume design. Whoever designed the uniforms took this and that from previous Trek designs without understanding what purpose they served in those original designs.

 

[Reilly]

I dare say any negative publicity CBS were to get from taking action would be quickly wiped out by the release of actual Trek trailers and episodes.

The point above is spot on though. Anyone that actually cares about Axanar, for, against or just wishing it would go away is unlikely to have their mind changed by this point. The only people who really seem to have switched sides over the last couple of year. are largely Alec’s friends who’ve finally been stabbed in the back by him.

 

[Maurice]

I’m not saying it will matter. I’m saying we’re never going to hear the end of it regardless.

 

[Noname Given]

One of the things that occurs to me about the Star Drek Axanot uniforms: it screams designed by someone who fails to understand costume design. Whoever designed the uniforms took this and that from previous Trek designs without understanding what purpose they served in those original designs.

IMO - They look more TNG era inspired then TOS/Kelvin era inspired. (Again, that's really funny to me since Alec is supposedly such a stickler about 'visual canon'.)

 

[JD]

Even after seeing the uniforms, I still have one question, why the hell did they need to send all the way out to Italy for them? I still find it very, very, hard to believe that there was no on in the US who could have made those. I'm pretty sure even things like the MCU, and Star Wars get at least most of their costuming work done in the US by American costume designers. That still seems to me like one of the stupidest and most ridiculous expenses in the whole project.

All of the above could eventually bring another Hammer down. If CBS declares Alec in breach, and they go to binding arbitration, Alec will definitely loose his shirt. He probably still believes that with everything CBS has in the works - they wouldn't DARE risk the bad publicity Alec believes any such action would bring.

I think (as per usual) Alec is overestimating his and Axanar's "importance" to Star Trek fandom at large (Read: It has no importance - and I say that because beyond niche outlets - like this BBS for example <--- and that's not denigrating this community at all which I participate in and enjoy; no one (outside real hard core Star Trek fan circles) has any clue about Axanar or who the f*ck Alec Peters is - or really cares what happens to him or Axanar one way or the other.

Well, the original lawsuit did make the mainstream news, and since nobody from CBS would talk to much, and Alec was happy to, most of them did lean a bit more toward his side.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

One of the things that occurs to me about the Star Drek Axanot uniforms: it screams designed by someone who fails to understand costume design. Whoever designed the uniforms took this and that from previous Trek designs without understanding what purpose they served in those original designs.

Yep.

 

[Mudd]

Sorry, I don't get that at all.

The tunics aren't well fit; they're too snug on most of the cast. Aside from that, they're pretty standard Trek design - TOS tunics with lower hems and black panels that serve exactly the function that they do on the TNG and STB outfits.

 

[Tuskin38]

Someone should point out that continuity between the Axanar uniforms and ‘The Cage’, see how the supporters react.

 

[137th Gebirg]

HATER!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Sorry, I don't get that at all.

The tunics aren't well fit; they're too snug on most of the cast. Aside from that, they're pretty standard Trek design - TOS tunics with lower hems and black panels that serve exactly the function that they do on the TNG and STB outfits.

I can't speak for @Ryan Thomas Riddle, but the issue I have that's on point with what he's saying is that (at least at the resolution of the picture that's posted a couple of pages ago upthread), it looks like there are two sources of black in the shirts. One is on the shirt itself, on the sides, which hearkens back IRL to the TNG design. The other is the black undershirt adopted in nuTrek as its version of/paradigm for what the black collar on the TOS tunic is all about. The combination is not as elegant as either paradigm individually, which are respectively and in summary: color on black and color over black.

I have an additional issue which is that the pastiche of all these styles from different time periods and realities in-universe further complicates any understanding of the in-universe evolution of the uniforms.

 

[Mudd]

The dark color on the sides of the tunic, in all versions, is just a trick to flatter the wearer with a less than ideal physique - which is why middle-aged Admiral Kirk looked better in the two-tone TMP outfit than the single-colored versions.*

I don't know about the second point - I never can take the supposed evolution of anything from one era of Trek to another seriously - there's too much arbitrary about all of it. Some ships are rebuilt from stem to stern every couple of years while others see a century of service without visible refit; identical ships have different interiors while ships of completely different design have identical interiors; uniforms go from teeshirts to pajamas to Pirates of Penzance to jogging attire to Penzance-without-shirts to jogging attire with no rhyme or reason. Never mind STD's glitter-bombed Flash Gordon butt-huggers. Sheesh. Seems to me that you could pick any point in Trek history and drop Axanar's wardrobe right in there and - if it appeared in a Paramount production - it would work fine.**

*Except for the few weeks of filming when Shatner was in something like peak shape - it was a long shoot. You can almost reverse-engineer a shooting schedule for that movie from his waist-line.


**Other than the aforementioned these-things-were-made-in-Italy-to-fit-cast-members-who-have-since-bailed-on-the-project fitting problems.

 

[Krandor]

I think (as per usual) Alec is overestimating his and Axanar's "importance" to Star Trek fandom at large (Read: It has no importance - and I say that because beyond niche outlets - like this BBS for example <--- and that's not denigrating this community at all which I participate in and enjoy; no one (outside real hard core Star Trek fan circles) has any clue about Axanar or who the f*ck Alec Peters is - or really cares what happens to him or Axanar one way or the other.

and the majority of fandom who does know of him has a less then favorable impression of him. Most see him as the guy who ruined fan fillms. Outside of a thread like this normally when his name comes up it isn't in a good way.

 

[trynda1701]

Despite all the shenanigans over the last few years, like @Maurice says, there has actually been some filming! Anyone know when the next planned shoot is?

 

[JD]

There have been mainstream movies that have been filmed, but still never released, so I won't believe Axanar is actually going to be released, until the finished shorts are actually available in their entirety.

 

[Reilly]

Likewise. Alec has history with stuff being filmed that's never seen the light of day. The only footage from the Heroes short or the documentary they hyped is stuff that RMB has leaked out to annoy Alec.

 

[dmac]

and the majority of fandom who does know of him has a less then favorable impression of him. Most see him as the guy who ruined fan fillms. Outside of a thread like this normally when his name comes up it isn't in a good way.

I'm no longer surprised to run into people who grew up on TOS or TNG and never heard of Star Trek fan films.
Enjoy them while you can because nobody knows how far the lawyer in training pants will push CBS this time.
If a lawsuit obviously didn't stop him form profiting from CBS' IP. I'd hate to think of other tools CBS may have in their tool box.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The dark color on the sides of the tunic, in all versions, is just a trick to flatter the wearer with a less than ideal physique - which is why middle-aged Admiral Kirk looked better in the two-tone TMP outfit than the single-colored versions.*

Good observation.

The colors for Admiral Kirk's uniform at the beginning of TMP, the collar, and the gold insignia were all simply lovely, and that also didn't hurt in making him look good in it!

 

[urbandefault]

lawyer in training pants