Because they're starting to believe what they are selling. It's a very dangerous game to play.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens
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I'm really confused about why he is so absolutely devoted to Alec. It seems like to Lane he can do absolutely no wrong, and it's honestly starting to scare me a little bit. The level of devotion he has to him is just insane.Oh I can't wait to say "I told you so" on this one........
From that FFF blog entry though........
"I won’t waste time going tit for tat for the umpteemth time on all of the Axamonitor nonsense. Want to know what I think? Read the last three and a half years of my blog responses to these same accusations and you will also see discussion of many delays that, from my point of view, were not Alec’s fault."
Lane's stockholm syndrome is irreversible it seems. Can't wait to see him go down with the ship (where I suspect he'll still be screaming the same drivel)
Cults have that effect on people.
They're playing fast and loose with the crowd funding, which I imagine is mainly what's going to bring CBS down on them. They're using a strict interpretation that they're not allowed to use Kickstarter, Indiegogo etc. Under the Guidelines, *private* fundraising is unlimited, so if you've got a fan with a bunch of money burning a hole in their pocket, that's absolutely allowed.
Peters is trying to engage in a loophole in a couple of ways:
1. He's trying to draw distinctions between "Axanar" and "Ares Studios", so he can use Patreon etc for the "studio" and not the actual fan film. I imagine at this point though everyone knows they're so intertwined that its going to be hard for him to argue he's not acting out of bad faith. Especially since all marketting for Ares Studios tends to rely on Axanar-based materials. Alec will constantly spout off about how they're "separate legal entities", but I expect that bit of paper trail skullduggery is only going to go so far.
2. By hosting his own fundraising platform "Ares Digital", he'll argue this is just to track private contributions from well-meaning fans, not a proper crowd-funding campaign. He might've been able to make this work, except that its all predicated on publicising that they're doing this, either through Youtube livestreams, FFF, spamming existing mailing lists of donors or whatever else. I struggle to see how at that point its not just crowd-funding that happens to just run on a private platform as opposed to one of the more well-known ones.
Point 2 is probably going to be what brings the hammer down on Alec again. The last lawsuit included the fact he was personally profiting off of CBS IP, and he's just back to his old tricks (if indeed, he ever stopped). The Notice from CBS appearing on Axamonitor just as Alec is starting up his not-Crowd Funding appeals is surely not a coincidence.
yep. He trureky believes cbs won’t dare attack “the fans” again lilely because he believes dc that all of Trek is in crisis and chaos.
Yep. My honest opinion is that CBS was waiting will after this first shoot and the start of the crowdfunding campaign to hit him. They already sent a notice on the patreon so I bet they send another one soon about the patreon and the ares digital campaign. He'll refuse the make changes and away we go....
remember last time was shortly after the vulcan scene.
Well, no way he can argue that this fundraiser isn't for Axanar.
This fundraiser is for axanar.. this is the "private fundraiser"
The craziness of this most recent appeal is that its to pay $50k-$70k for a shoot that's already happened. So how did he pay for it then? And shouldn't he have a far more pinned down figure he's asking for, if its already been spent? He certainly can't argue he's not expecting fans to pay for his own hobby at that point, since he seems to feel entitled to recoup any costs he puts into his fan film (which to be fair, he was clearly arguing with the previous Axanar budgets as well).
Surely if you were being fair about this, he'd have paid for this shoot (which is also only the first of 5 I believe), and any fundraising would be to cover subsequent shoots? This retrospective thing is just bonkers.
Surely if you were being fair about this, he'd have paid for this shoot (which is also only the first of 5 I believe), and any fundraising would be to cover subsequent shoots? This retrospective thing is just bonkers.
except lane or Alec to pay for their own fan film???? LOL!!!
At best, that's the appeal that he spent his own money and he'd rather have spent YOURS. You're refilling his pockets, literally. If the shoot already happened, he didn't need the money, he just didn't want it to be his bill at the end. Unless he put it all on the credit card and is praying the fundraiser comes through before the bill does... 
Its madness I know
Its so hopelessly transparent at this point. At least during Prelude it seemed on the up-and-up. I guarantee you of that £50k-£70k there's a healthy overhead for Alec's own bank balance. It'll be interesting to see what he actually ends up making (if you can believe any total he publicises). Certainly not as much as he'd like. Too many burned donors left in his wake at this point, although being fair he does ok off of the faithful.
Its madness I know
Its so hopelessly transparent at this point. At least during Prelude it seemed on the up-and-up. I guarantee you of that £50k-£70k there's a healthy overhead for Alec's own bank balance. It'll be interesting to see what he actually ends up making (if you can believe any total he publicises). Certainly not as much as he'd like. Too many burned donors left in his wake at this point, although being fair he does ok off of the faithful.
I’m still not seeing how that shoot this weekend cost $50-75k
The lead actor "Garth" is charging a fortune!!
They are getting ripped out then. They should recast. I bet they could get better talent for less money
I'll do it for $20 and a sandwich.
Lane owes whatever livelihood/enjoyment he gets from Fan Film Factor to Alec Peters departed Press agent as that guy helped him start the Blog; and it got a following BECAUSE of the Axanar debacle.Oh I can't wait to say "I told you so" on this one........
From that FFF blog entry though........
"I won’t waste time going tit for tat for the umpteemth time on all of the Axamonitor nonsense. Want to know what I think? Read the last three and a half years of my blog responses to these same accusations and you will also see discussion of many delays that, from my point of view, were not Alec’s fault."
Lane's stockholm syndrome is irreversible it seems. Can't wait to see him go down with the ship (where I suspect he'll still be screaming the same drivel)
Legally HE PERSONALLY was named in the suit; and I would assume that carries over into the settlement - IE he by name is specifically not allowed do use any sort of public funding platform for Star Trek related fan film projects. So it's not an effective legal maneuver at all
The foil/problem here is he's using his public website, twitter, Youtube, et. al. to stump for donations = PUBLICLY FUNDRAISING. He's not just sending private e-mails, he's VERY PUBLIC about said campaign
All of the above could eventually bring another Hammer down. If CBS declares Alec in breach, and they go to binding arbitration, Alec will definitely loose his shirt. He probably still believes that with everything CBS has in the works - they wouldn't DARE risk the bad publicity Alec believes any such action would bring.
I think (as per usual) Alec is overestimating his and Axanar's "importance" to Star Trek fandom at large (Read: It has no importance - and I say that because beyond niche outlets - like this BBS for example <--- and that's not denigrating this community at all which I participate in and enjoy; no one (outside real hard core Star Trek fan circles) has any clue about Axanar or who the f*ck Alec Peters is - or really cares what happens to him or Axanar one way or the other.
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