BK Impossible Whopper....

[Scout101]

Been meaning to check out the BK offering, just haven't made it there yet. Satisfied meat eater here, but vegetarian-curious in this case, I guess

Mostly want to support the effort, it's a positive step towards something more sustainable. Will take a long time to get people weaned over to something like this, it's a culture change, but a positive one. Hope this effort really takes off.

 

[NCC-73515]

The Beyond burger as a whole tasted like a regular burger to me, but when I tried a piece of only the patty, it tasted weird.

 

[Christopher]

The Beyond burger as a whole tasted like a regular burger to me, but when I tried a piece of only the patty, it tasted weird.

When you get down to it, most of the flavor of any fast-food hamburger generally comes from the toppings and condiments rather than the burger itself. Which is why it's a pretty good context for a vegetarian substitute, since the other flavors obscure the differences in the patty.

 

[Relayer1]

It always seemed (even back when I will ate it) a waste of meat to grind it up into mince or to make a patty.

It is a measure of the blandness (both texture and flavour) of minced meat products that they are orders of magnitude easier to reproduce than a piece of meat itself.

 

[Nakita Akita]

When you get down to it, most of the flavor of any fast-food hamburger generally comes from the toppings and condiments rather than the burger itself. Which is why it's a pretty good context for a vegetarian substitute, since the other flavors obscure the differences in the patty.

Most of the people I've seen eat meat with a plethora of spices, breading, sugar etc. slathered on the meat.
Meat purchased from the store tastes like nothing for the most part, sometimes it has a sort of dirt taste. ( yea, whatever, anyone whose done anything ever had gotten dirt in their mouth)

 

[JirinPanthosa]

And I for one welcome the oncoming wave of obese vegans with heart disease.

I know most vegans do it for morals and not health but it strikes me as odd that a person who will deny themselves something to protect animals lives won’t do the same to protect their own.

And I think a lot of people are being misled to think that because it’s vegan it’s healthier than the meat option when really it’s identically bad.

 

[Kor]

What is healthy eating? The popular thinking that dates back to the 1970s says that dietary fats are bad for you, especially saturated fats. The keto nutrition crowd challenges this thinking. And personally, I find that I'm at my peak when I cut out processed starches and sugars instead, and eat almost nothing but fatty meats, eggs, dairy, and green leafy vegetables, and engage in regular vigorous exercise. My bloodwork is fantastic across the board, and I feel great both physically and mentally. This new generation of plant burgers would definitely fit into my meal plan (if more affordable as I mentioned earlier).

Kor

 

[Christopher]

And I think a lot of people are being misled to think that because it’s vegan it’s healthier than the meat option when really it’s identically bad.

It's not vegan, just vegetarian, since it's topped with mayonnaise. And it's not 100% vegetarian because it's cooked on the same grill as meat patties.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

When you get down to it, most of the flavor of any fast-food hamburger generally comes from the toppings and condiments rather than the burger itself.

If that ever applies, you're eating a bad burger.

 

[Damian]

What is healthy eating? The popular thinking that dates back to the 1970s says that dietary fats are bad for you, especially saturated fats. The keto nutrition crowd challenges this thinking. And personally, I find that I'm at my peak when I cut out processed starches and sugars instead, and eat almost nothing but fatty meats, eggs, dairy, and green leafy vegetables, and engage in regular vigorous exercise. My bloodwork is fantastic across the board, and I feel great both physically and mentally. This new generation of plant burgers would definitely fit into my meal plan (if more affordable as I mentioned earlier).

Kor

Definitely agree about cutting out processed starches and sugars. I've had a lot of success with the South Beach Diet (I know, that's so passé these days, but I like doing things old school ). The SBD gets lumped into the low carb diet fad like Atkins, I think incorrectly. While true the first phase (2 to 4 weeks) is low carb oriented--once you get to phase 2 you do in fact eat carbs. It's just SB is very big on staying away from processed foods. I eat wheat bread or whole grain bread instead of white, brown rice instead of white, and fruits and veggies are encouraged as are lean meats.

Pretty much what most dieticians will tell you to eat---though they don't really like the phase 1 'carb cleansing' part of it. I'm actually surprised the SBD doesn't get more attention (at least the phase 2 part). I lost quite a bit of weight with it and my blood pressure dropped back down to healthy levels. I do exercise also.

Frankly the hardest part of it is staying away from junk food (probably the case with any diet). I am a well known Tastycake, Drake's and Hostess junkie. Why can't a Chocolate Junior or Twinkie be good for you? I also love soda and sweet brewed iced tea (though unsweetened tea, if brewed just right, can taste pretty good---sometimes I'll very lightly sweeten it).

But I swear there's something more to junk food then the sugar high that makes it addictive. When I fall off the wagon it's so hard to get back on. It's like alcohol to an alcoholic (or at least it seems that way from what I hear). It's one reason I desperately try to avoid cheating.

 

[Timby]

If that ever applies, you're eating a bad burger.

Scientifically speaking, that's not necessarily true. Yes, salt and pepper are essential seasonings to the beef patty, but the biggest contributor that the beef has to the flavor profile is the texture. Toppings like cheese, tomato, onions, spreads and especially a buttered and toasted bun provide a shit-ton of flavor, as well as sensations like umami and crunchiness.

But I swear there's something more to junk food then the sugar high that makes it addictive. When I fall off the wagon it's so hard to get back on. It's like alcohol to an alcoholic (or at least it seems that way from what I hear). It's one reason I desperately try to avoid cheating.

You're not far off. Recovering alcoholics frequently experience sugar cravings because alcohol is, at its core, fermented sugar. I would have gone nuts without lemon drop candies when I got sober.

 

[tomalak301]

I finally tried to Beyond Meat Burger at Carl's Jr. today. It was ok, but it has a weird after taste. I do agree that the condiments cover up the taste of the patty itself.

 

[Owain Taggart]

I haven't tried any of them, either Beyond or Impossible, but from what I hear it's much better than some of earlier alternatives outlets had put out. But I guess all of this is a tradeoff. When it comes down to it, it's all still processed food, and some say, like the Whole Foods' CEO, it isn't all that great for you.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/21/who...lant-based-meat-not-good-for-your-health.html

Is it healthier? Probably not. It's still junk food with a hell of a lot of sodium.

And I read a rather interesting article about a study done recently that stated people are much more exposed to processed foods than they've been in the past, and that weight gain isn't so much the amount of food that we eat, but the body's response to all that processed food that it doesn't know how to process.

Might have been this article, or one similar to it. https://www.sciencealert.com/there-s-now-research-to-back-the-trend-of-scorn-towards-processed-food

 

[Damian]

And I read a rather interesting article about a study done recently that stated people are much more exposed to processed foods than they've been in the past, and that weight gain isn't so much the amount of food that we eat, but the body's response to all that processed food that it doesn't know how to process.

I'm not surprised. I read Dr Agatson's SBD book way back before I started on the SBD the first time and he noted much the same thing. Processed foods are just that....all the nutritional value is stripped away and all that is left is basically sugar and junk. You continue to be hungry because sugar is immediately broken down. Whereas whole foods take longer for the body to break down so you feel sated longer. For instance, something as simple as white rice. Everything of value is basically stripped away leaving a simple starch.

And of course you get a sugar high when you eat junk food or drink sugary drinks. So it's a double edged sword. You get a quick high from the sugar, but because it's not filling you continue to be hungry, hence you eat more.

And unfortunately processed foods and drinks are usually cheaper to buy and easier to buy and make. It takes a lot longer to make grilled chicken and vegetables than it does to pop a TV dinner in the microwave for a few minutes. And all the added ingredients to processed foods sometimes make them even 'taste' better so you want it more.

 

[Kor]

Whole Foods' CEO criticizes these new burger patties as "super, highly processed foods." And yet Whole Foods themselves sells tubs of "super, highly processed" pea, brown rice and soy protein concentrate powders, which are key ingredients in these patties.

Kor

 

[Doom Shepherd]

Whole Foods' CEO criticizes these new burger patties as "super, highly processed foods." And yet Whole Foods themselves sells tubs of "super, highly processed" pea, brown rice and soy protein concentrate powders, which are key ingredients in these patties.

Kor

It’s also worth noting that the entire “organic foods” thing is a scam, and that Whole Foods has a transparency score lower (far lower) than Monsanto, or even Exxon-Mobil, on the CPA-Zicklin Index, which rates the transparency of political donations by S&P 500 corporations.

 

[Nakita Akita]

It’s also worth noting that the entire “organic foods” thing is a scam, and that Whole Foods has a transparency score lower (far lower) than Monsanto, or even Exxon-Mobil, on the CPA-Zicklin Index, which rates the transparency of political donations by S&P 500 corporations.

But,
I can notice a taste difference between organic foods and "regular" food. Almost everything non-organic has odd after tastes or underlying chemical, metallic etc. tastes.

 

[Christopher]

But,
I can notice a taste difference between organic foods and "regular" food. Almost everything non-organic has odd after tastes or underlying chemical, metallic etc. tastes.

Have you done a blind taste test to confirm that you can really tell them apart and it's not just your expectation influencing your perceptions?

 

[Relayer1]

I can notice a taste difference between organic foods and "regular" food.

I can't.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

But,
I can notice a taste difference between organic foods and "regular" food. Almost everything non-organic has odd after tastes or underlying chemical, metallic etc. tastes.

Have you done a blind taste test to confirm that you can really tell them apart and it's not just your expectation influencing your perceptions?

I've tried both the Sassy Cow regular whole milk and the organic whole milk. I can taste the difference, though it would be hard to put into words what the difference actually is. I prefer the organic milk, despite the $6=$7 per gallon price, it just tastes better.

Then the regular is far better than, say, Dean's or any other big name whole milk.