Marvel films, it's time for a Black female lead

[Awesome Possum]

maybe you are right that John Talks isn't the best source ever, but a few of these flashy sites report it and once you get rid of all the flash etc, and maybe just maybe there is some truth to the tweets i posted that were caches and the tweets she deleted. Oh I suppose not just because you guys don't wish it to be true

Actually we just live in the real world and are concerned with actual issues. The fact that you are unable to find any evidence isn’t a case that you’re right and the truth is being hidden, but that you’re wrong and trying to convince yourself that you’re right because you can’t admit you’re wrong.

It’s exactly like people who believe the Earth is flat. Nothing, even their own eyes, will convince them because, facts be damned, they KNOW they’re right.

 

[JD]

maybe you are right that John Talks isn't the best source ever, but a few of these flashy sites report it and once you get rid of all the flash etc, and maybe just maybe there is some truth to the tweets i posted that were caches and the tweets she deleted. Oh I suppose not just because you guys don't wish it to be true

Sites like those are the absolute worst sources for news, and the fact that you believe something coming from one of them shows that you are either incredibly naive or agree with their politics.

 

[Garak]

when they try to put as many races and genders in a story.. especially a fictional one, not for stopry reasons, but just for the sake of seeming inclusive.. as if to earn points with the bigwig trades and shareholders.. and it has little to do with a creative decision

Seeing different genders and races everywhere you go sounds like the real world that I live in - so why is that not translatable to movies?

 

[Mudd]

maybe you are right that John Talks isn't the best source ever...

I didn't say he's "not one of the best sources ever."

Pay attention.

I said he's a shitty source. He's a nut-job. He's a bigot. He's no source at all. He's closer to an infestation of some kind than he is even to an ignorant, blow-hard, know-nothing Youtuber.

You don't get to just throw shit like "John Talks" against the wall here and then when you're called on citing misogynistic jackasses just sort of dismiss it with "he's not the best source..."

You don't get away with that.

We clear?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I admitted that he is not the best source. There are other videos talking about it, and alone they are also not the best source Why don't you read what I wrote, that at a quick surmise of what he said and what has happened can maybe NOT lead to a final conclusion, but to say there is nothing out of hand is to embrace naivete

 

[Guy Gardener]

What happens when you put the word "minority" into a search field on pornhub?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

There’s certainly no reason NOT to have any race or gender in a Marvel film.

It sometimes bugs me when people reject any art that doesn’t fit their worldview and politics. If a writer has a great idea that calls for a black female, they should cast a black female. If it calls for a white male, they should cast a white male. If it calls for a Hispanic trans lesbian, you see where I’m going. Write your idea and don’t worry about political pressures from idealistic progressives or pathetic incels.

And no, I am not equating the two, one is acting out if empathy and inclusion and the other is acting out of hate and pettiness.

 

[Mudd]

I admitted that he is not the best source.

He sucks. Unless you can do way, way better than that it's fair to say that you can't even find a reasonable source anywhere on the Internet to support your claims.

... but to say there is nothing out of hand is to embrace naivete

Don't try to use tired rhetorical phrasing to avoid the facts: no one is dismissing your claims "out of hand." We're dismissing them because not only haven't you supported them in any respectable way, you can't even make a real argument for them. You just repeat the same baseless, biased claims over, and over, and over.

 

[Jayson1]

Whyb should I? For you? I stand by my argument that the standards of entertainment should be about immersion and verisimilitude first.. throwing politics and diversity should compliment the story and not be the story or the sole reason for the story. Oh and remember when I brought up the head of the ms. marvel show and people asked where i got my info.. and I responded right away? Well it turns out she deleted 5000 tweets right after they announced she'd be writing the show

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You have talked about forced diveristy but what are some of your examples of correct diversity especially movies and shows that feature non-white leads? Jason

 

[Mudd]

Whyb should I? For you? I stand by my argument ...

You haven't made a real argument worthy of the name. You can keep repeating the same tired assertion over and over with nothing of substance to back it up. Nothing.

 

[fireproof78]

Why don't you read what I wrote

Ok...where are the examples of forced diversity?

 

[Mudd]

Ok...where are the examples of forced diversity?

Yeah...he's got nothing.

Nothing.

 

[Terok Nor]

Specifically why is it time? In terms of storyline why is now the right moment? Why not 5 years ago or 5 years from now? Is there a particular storyline featuring a black female superhero you think is relevant to now?

I think it's past time Storm got her due. Not because she's black but because she's awesome and hasn't been done right yet. That's my reason.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Specifically why is it time? In terms of storyline why is now the right moment? Why not 5 years ago or 5 years from now? Is there a particular storyline featuring a black female superhero you think is relevant to now?

I think it's past time Storm got her due. Not because she's black but because she's awesome and hasn't been done right yet. That's my reason.

If you're addressing, Infern0, you gonna have a long wait for an answer.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

diversity is forced when the buzz is less about the film than the the different races etc they cast in the film,

 

[EnderAKH]

diversity is forced when the buzz is less about the film than the the different races etc they cast in the film,

But that's not the fault of the film...that's the fault of the people who can't handle diversity.

 

[Awesome Possum]

But that's not the fault of the film...that's the fault of the people who can't handle diversity.

But if they only hired white men, those people wouldn't complain. That seems to be what he's getting at. We should listen to whiny bigots because they can't handle reality and need a fantasy world to soothe them.

I'm just unsure why anyone would take this seriously, because I can't stop laughing at it.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

i have no problem with diversity. I just want the film to be good because it's good not because it has a diverse cast. I mena no matter how diverse it gets someone will always be left out

 

[Guy Gardener]

They are remaking Party of Five.

Instead of white orphans, its 5 Mexican American kids after both their parents are deported by Trump.

 

[Awesome Possum]

i have no problem with diversity. I just want the film to be good because it's good not because it has a diverse cast. I mena no matter how diverse it gets someone will always be left out

But the differences between those two only exist in your head. They are no objective fact, just your perception. Since you can't understand why certain roles were made "diverse" you assume that it was due to an agenda or malice when it isn't.