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USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Do you think that that's an aft torpedo launcher in the center of the impulse engines? I think the artist is suggesting that the round "vent-hole" in the center of the impulse engines in the TOS Enterprise has always been an aft torpedo launcher. I don't know. :shrug:

There are two aft torpedo launchers, per the plans. They are right next to the impulse engines, on either side. Further in towards the docking port you have other stuff such as tractor beam emitters.
 
Looks like a docking port to me.
I don't think so, any ship docking with the Enterprise will get incinerated by the impulse engines? Or is that the enemy's plan to cripple the Enterprise by first docking with it. :thumbdown:
There are two aft torpedo launchers, per the plans. They are right next to the impulse engines, on either side. Further in towards the docking port you have other stuff such as tractor beam emitters.
But, what's the big center hole? It really can't be a docking port, can it? Launchers on each side, maybe, but the pictures are too dark to see them clearly. The forward launchers are recessed in the hull, but not the aft? By the way, what plans?
 
But, what's the big center hole? It really can't be a docking port, can it?
It's a docking port according to a design diagram included in the Eaglemoss booklet, and the torpedo launchers are at either end there, labelled '1'.
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It looks like a ship that would have been built sometime between the NX-01 and the TOS Enterprise.

Which I guess is sort of the very point.

Putting the docking port close to the impulse tailpipes is probably no worse than putting the torpedo launchers there. If there's going to be destructive interference, I'd worry a lot more about the torps than about the docking auxiliaries!

Having the docking assisted by tractors no doubt helps a lot. Is that modern 2250s tech that the old 1701 did not yet have installed for the main shutttlebay in the 2260s, or had it ripped out after its early failure here? Or are invisible tractors the hottest new thing in the 2260s, in full operation throughout TOS and echoing Sulu's sentiments in ST5:TFF that simply flying in is a trick suited for saints and madmen or their chauffeurs?

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don't think so, any ship docking with the Enterprise will get incinerated by the impulse engines? Or is that the enemy's plan to cripple the Enterprise by first docking with it.
It's not like they have to use the impulse engines in order to complete docking maneuvers. Also, there is quite a bit of space between the port and the engines.

Finally, why not attempt to board a ship to disable it?
 
Yes, because docking a shuttlepod between two glowing-plasma-hot sets of impulse vents makes perfect sense.

Marc Bell did a great job replicating the Disco-Enterprise, and Daniel Broadway did a great job rendering Marc's model. I still don't really care for the redesign itself, though.
 
Having an auxiliary dock in the mothership's exhaust isn't all that unusual ITRW. Quite a few warship types deploy auxiliaries from a stern ramp into the propwash, say, or receive their helos with a blast of hot air from their own turbine exhausts.

Would there be advantages to having a stern-facing docking port? It's interesting how so many starships have stern-facing shuttlebays for some reason. And shuttle approach then necessarily means diving into the impulse exhaust or, considering common nacelle placement, into the very heart of the warp fields, to no evident detrimental effect.

It's not as if the impulse engines would shoot out flames or jets anyway. They appear to be more like radiators, not suffering one iota if the ship's own structures block the view directly aft of these tailpipes... Perhaps standing next to one is not particularly harmful under any circumstances?

All that said, the issue of aft torps on these ships has always been a controversial one. I really liked the ENT take on this, in "In a Mirror, Darkly", where the torps fired from a spot fairly low down, apparently on the dorsal surface of the secondary hull. But torp tubes appear to be easily movable in a refit, as we see in ST:TMP...

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There are shield emitters right there next to the docking port, it's possible they could be used to protect docking ships.
 
What do the red (or blue) impulse 'exhausts' actually do? They aren't propelling the ship. Are they big radiators? Are they venting plasma? It that the infamous "tail pipe"?
 
Yes, because docking a shuttlepod between two glowing-plasma-hot sets of impulse vents makes perfect sense.
Shut down the engines, maintain position with thrusters, allow the auxiliary craft to completely the delicate maneuvers.

Given what space going vessels encounter (background radiation, atmospheric radiation, solar flares, and anomalies of the week) I have no problem thinking shields can handle engine wash.
 
Which I guess is sort of the very point.

I'm not sure what point you're referring to, but my point was that it doesn't look like the TOS ship; it looks like the basic Constitution class shape but with details that stem directly from the NX-01 from 100 years before, and I'm not sure why. To show that the TOS Enterprise was changed just for the sake of change?
 
John Eaves loves his big impulse engine vents. Both the Enterprise-B and the Enterprise-E have them and they are glaringly obvious.
 
Apparently not, because they're on all the time. They aren't rockets.


They were never on, on TOS. At least, they didn't light up.

In any event, the fact that they're on doesn't really indicate that they're always producing significant thrust. Everything I've read about them over the years assumes that they are what the name "impulse" implies, generating thrust in the generally understood sense, as distinct from whatever magic stuff the glowy blue warp reactors do.
 
A docking port was one of things Eaves and his co-designer added because they felt like it was something the original design was lacking.

Since they had to change the design anyways because of mandate, they added it.
 
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