Marvel films, it's time for a Black female lead

[Awesome Possum]

People need to stop seeing an agenda in everything and give everyone's motives the benefit of the doubt. If a movie sucks it doesn't really matter why the studio cast a man or a woman, a white or a nonwhite. It's a fact that women and nonwhites are a bigger part of market demographics so it's not surprising that studios hire more women and people of color. That doesn't mean white males can't still be represented on screen. It shouldn't be a zero-sum game.

No one is saying that white males shouldn’t be represented. That seems to be a delusion that keeps coming up.

 

[JD]

you missed my follow-up post. sure, the race and gender of the character is irrelevent.. except now these identity politics are in ALL the conversations, so changing the race and gender of the character would only bring attention to that aspect of it, and fold the movie into the topic.. and it won't ever be about the movie itself. Like... uh, the new Little Mermaid

So when/where would you cast a woman or person of color? If you change a change a character to be a woman or person of color it's part of an agenda. But wouldn't it also be part of the same agenda if you created a new character whose sole purpose was to be a woman or person of color?
If you make all of your decisions based on how the racists, and sexists react then you are going to just upset the liberals, women and people of color. No matter what you are going to do someone is going to be upset, so all you really need to do is decide who you are more concerned with.

Actually, I just thought of perfect casting. Bruce Willis as the cop buddy outside the tower, cracking jokes and eating doughnuts. And Michael B Jordan as John McClane.

I would watch that.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Actually, I just thought of perfect casting. Bruce Willis as the cop buddy outside the tower, cracking jokes and eating doughnuts. And Michael B Jordan as John McClane.

If it was a Bruce Willis who still gave a damn, yeah.
What about Jim Gaffigan?

 

[theenglish]

If it was a Bruce Willis who still gave a damn, yeah.
What about Jim Gaffigan?

I just looked up Reginald VelJohnson on IMDP and he is still acting regularly--it would be nice to see him in any new movie.

 

[TRON JA307020]

you missed my follow-up post. sure, the race and gender of the character is irrelevent.. except now these identity politics are in ALL the conversations, so changing the race and gender of the character would only bring attention to that aspect of it, and fold the movie into the topic.. and it won't ever be about the movie itself. Like... uh, the new Little Mermaid

Yeah. We’ll never see the little merbutler.

 

[Jayson1]

No one is saying that white males shouldn’t be represented. That seems to be a delusion that keeps coming up.

One problem though is the internet is so big you can find people who do say crazy stuff like this and as soon as the clickbait sites and Russia and who knows who make this stuff go trending. One loon might as well be a thousand once people are exposed to it. It is very deppessing to see so many stories around what people say and think and less on actions. Jason

 

[Professor Zoom]

I just looked up Reginald VelJohnson on IMDP and he is still acting regularly--it would be nice to see him in any new movie.

Reginald VelJohnson = Hans Gruber

 

[dahj]

the little merbutler.

A male equivalent of a maid is a footman.
A butler is in charge of footmen, a housekeeper is in charge of maids.

If you're gonna live in the 19th century, at least get the terminology right.

 

[USS Firefly]

Reginald VelJohnson = Hans Gruber

It would be very hard to see him as a bad guy, so good choice

 

[Grendelsbayne]

People need to stop seeing an agenda in everything and give everyone's motives the benefit of the doubt. If a movie sucks it doesn't really matter why the studio cast a man or a woman, a white or a nonwhite. It's a fact that women and nonwhites are a bigger part of market demographics so it's not surprising that studios hire more women and people of color. That doesn't mean white males can't still be represented on screen. It shouldn't be a zero-sum game.

Also, if a movie is great, it doesn't really matter why the studio cast a man or a woman, etc. And if a movie is mediocre, it doesn't really matter why, either.

Pretty much the only time it matters why is if there's nepotism involved or if a studio automatically defaults to a specific group (usually white men) for no reason.

 

[Jayson1]

I already got my idea for a Die Hard movie. It is set in Madison Square Garden and cop Jamie Fox is their with friend John McClain and two teenage sons who have gone to a Knicks game for a guys night out. Bad guys lead by ex NY cop played by Rossia Dawson pretending to be Antifa break in kill some people including Bruce Willis and lock everone end and make political demands. The teens were at the confession stand to be hostages later. If they don't get what they want they will blow up the building. Well the twist is they just want money but the second twist is the bad guy wants to send her share to the family of a latino girl she killed despite being unarmed. The cop outside is McClane's daughter. Also James Franco is the new cocaine guy and sneviling reporter as some guy trapped inside trying to live stream it. Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah. We’ll never see the little merbutler.

Maid in this context means a young unmarried woman not a household servant.

 

[TRON JA307020]

A male equivalent of a maid is a footman.
A butler is in charge of footmen, a housekeeper is in charge of maids.

If you're gonna live in the 19th century, at least get the terminology right.

Merfootman doesn’t sound as good. Just like Jurassic Park really should have been called Cretaceous Park but that didn’t sound as good.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Merfootman doesn’t sound as good. Just like Jurassic Park really should have been called Cretaceous Park but that didn’t sound as good.

When Ariel takes up house cleaning you might have a point.

 

[RandyS]

I don't think that is what they see they see the agenda as. The idea is a previous white character is being by anyone else because liberals hate straight white men and they will never get to be represented through the cool characters. It is why these things spark up around frachsies instead of shows like Atlanta or Glow and shows like Better Call Saul and Sillicon Valley are conviently ignored. It all comes from a fear of the future because they know America is becoming less white. Republicans remind them of this and when they see white men mocked online it reinforces those fears. Things that use to not bother white men and even found endearing now is seen as mean. Only way to make this fear go away is to convince these guys that white men will still matter in the future. Jason

Exactly. The only bigotry here is against white men, not against everybody else.

I will never understand this groups mindset that while it is not okay to show bigotry to everybody else (a position I share) but its perfectly fine to show that same bigotry toward white men (a position I will NEVER share).

 

[Nerys Myk]

Exactly. The only bigotry here is against white men, not against everybody else.

Now pull the other leg.

 

[RandyS]

I’ll never understand the mental gymnastics needed to reach the conclusion that since diversity is being increasingly popular, that liberals/Hollywood/lizard people hate white men. They don’t, with the possible exceptions of individuals no one does.

The problem is that certain people seem to get angry at the fact they share the planet with other kinds of people and hate seeing works of fiction that shows this. It’s like they’re so insecure that they need constant reassurance of how awesome other white guys are to get through the day. Captain Marvel showing up threatens this somehow.

No, the problem is that the people who push for diversity are also actively showing hatred for white men. You are one of them. You even once said you wanted "old white men to die off". That's hatred.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Exactly. The only bigotry here is against white men, not against everybody else.

I will never understand this groups mindset that while it is not okay to show bigotry to everybody else (a position I share) but its perfectly fine to show that same bigotry toward white men (a position I will NEVER share).

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[Turtletrekker]

No, the problem is that the people who push for diversity are also actively showing hatred for white men. You are one of them. You even once said you wanted "old white men to die off". That's hatred.

Oh, the poor persecuted white man. Will he never find justice?

 

[Awesome Possum]

No, the problem is that the people who push for diversity are also actively showing hatred for white men. You are one of them. You even once said you wanted "old white men to die off". That's hatred.

That’s 100% bullshit and my comment wasn’t serious. It also comes from someone with absolutely no power in society. The fact that so many white men act like they’re persecuted is laughable. You can’t imagine what’s its actually like. The fact that you think it’s from Internet comments made in jest and movies shows how truly pathetic it is.