CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

AP probably just didn't pay the rent. Waiting for donors to pick up the tab.

 

Yep... someone didn’t pay the bill.

 

He should try paying in patches.

 

Odd that you're having troubles with the website.
It comes through fine on my system.
Full moving video and all.
Has been for weeks now.
https://axanar.com/

 

It works now. Someone paid the hosting bill.

 

What is it with you guys and your snide remarks about this site and these guys work?
I really don't get it.
This is an amazing, imagination drama story based on a chapter out of the ST history that no one has ever gone down.
It's amazing that they've created a set, costumes and even employed the efforts of notable people in this venture and yet you drudge up derogatory insult after derogatory insult about the work.
Are you doing something better?
Do you really want to see them fail?

Star Trek isn't about TOS or TNG or ABC or DMV.
It's a fictional story people, not an historical recreation. None of it is real and therefore, fighting over "canon" is a really juvenile effort. Like two 13 year olds fighting over Ford or Chevy (I'm a Dodge fan myself).

Are they using crowd sourcing to fund it?
Of course they are. Where else can they find $500,000 to build this setup much less the millions Paramount shovels into the slop they fund??
There are those of us that are just bored to death with Paramounts rehash after rehash of the same old story in a different uniform and we're willing to help where we can at our own personal expense.

Are we aware that our money may never produce a result?
I would guess that at least most of us are. The funding source provides plenty of warning on that. But on the up side, they produce new info snipets from time to time with new progress reports that keep us excited!
Elon Musk has been dragging Tesla back up from it's ritual nose dives for years based on his theatrics and govt connections alone and still people dump money into that failed (not failing) company.

Are they drawing personal pay from it?
Of course they are. They would be stupid not to and the set would never get built if they had to divide their Axanar work with their income work time.

Is it legal?
Apparently. Else wise Paramount wouldn't be bargaining with them.

Is it moral?
Again, apparently. Else wise they wouldn't be here today after all this time and promotion.

So what's your issue?
I would think you'd be supporting them, especially here on this particular thread "Star Trek Fandom, Fan Productions"???

 

Read the thread.

CBS owns Star Trek not Paramount. Paramount simply owns the licence to make movies. Nor am I aware of any "bargaining" happening. The case was settled in CBS's favor.

It's run by a skeevy con man who's fleecing people

 

They took in over a million dollars and have nothing to show for it and yet keep asking for more and more.

They took in over a million dollars to fund a FOR profit studio on the back of someone else's IP.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

Unless you've seen the movie, you have no idea if it is amazing. It's all been talk. More than a million dollars and all they have given is talk.

Lots of other fans have created sets and costumes AND provided films. For a lot less than a million of fan provided dollars.

Many people have. By actually making something.

Nope. Actually, it would be great if he actually made the movie. But, no one believes he will. He will keep asking for more money.

Who is fighting over canon in this thread?

They had over a million dollars. They didn't make anything with it other than build a studio and offices. If they had rented a studio space, and in LA, there are lots of places, they could've made the movie. But, the squandered it on outfitting a studio to make a for profit business.

Some might call that theft.

Well... How do you think that's working out so far? Has he made a movie yet? After a million dollars and how many years?

It's not to get you excited. It's to keep paying.

Tesla is also a for profit business. Musk also OWNS Tesla. It's his company. With a board. People who look over how money is being spent.

Not really a fan film then, is it?

Nope. It isn't legal. Paramount negotiated this settlement because they chose to, probably for PR reasons. Paramount is the owner of the IP, they can decide to pull the rug out from all fan films if they choose to.

Moral is a personal thing. It's not objective. I do think it's immoral to ask for over a million dollars and not deliver a final film. I do think it's immoral to ask for a million dollars on the back of someone else's IP in order to fund your own business.

Is making a fan film immoral? Meh. I do think if you have the time and money and ambition to get into making movies you would be better served making your own thing.

That Peters has been pulling a bait and switch for years. Taking money from eager fans in order to fund his own ambitions rather than delivering a movie. And he continues to double down.

And that people fail to see what a terrible bet they made with him, and continue to give him money.

Why would anyone support him? He's taken in over a million dollars and has provided.... what? Just because he's making a fanfilm doesn't mean he should be cheered on.

This isn't a hill you should die on.

 

I'm impressed here.
You guys throw this stuff around like you actually know it took place and aren't in fact, imagining it all.
I would be truly grateful if you could provide your irrefutable source for this info. It would definitely help in making future investments.

WHAT?
You have no source???
Then where are you getting this info from?
Oh. You're making it up as you go along. Based on no data, no paper, no facts, just your opinions.
Good thing we're not funding you. We'd really be sorry huh.

 

You want to see a waste of donated monies, go look at "Legion M".
Now there's a couple con men who have generated bags of money based on absolutely nothing.

 

What stuff? The lawsuit is a matter of public record. The fact that nothing has been produced is as well.

 

Obviously you no idea what you are talking about. Since most of us here are VERY familiar with the facts over the years of this debacle perhaps it's you who should do some research into this scam artist and quit defending him; it makes you look like an idiot.

 

Have you been paying any attention to anything that has been going on this whole time?
If you look around a bit you can find a ton of evidence of just how much a con man and scam artist Alec Peters really is.

 

axamonitor.com would be a great place to start, all of the information is well cited.

Well, besides other publications, axamonitor.com would be a great place to start.

OOOOOh. I see. You don't actually care.

Publicly available records. Interviews. All sorts of places. Where are you getting your information from?

Nope.

It's pretty factual that Peters raised a million dollars. He told us.
It's pretty factual that Peters used the money to renovate a warehouse into a studio. He told us.
It's pretty factual that Peters didn't make a movie there. He told us.
It's pretty factual that Peter was sued. He told us. Paramount told us. There are publicly available records.
It's pretty factual that there isn't a movie.... because there isn't a movie.

What on Earth are you talking about?

I don't know you. You don't know me. But, you're coming into this party awfully late. You have a strong feeling about this project, great. But, truly, the facts are not on your side. In fact, you haven't offered facts, but, opinion. Seriously, though, I don't know why you would want to die on Axanar's hill.

 

No you wouldn't, because your brief posting-trail here and posturing demonstrates you're not interested in dialog, merely gainsaying. You want the history? There's a 1703 page thread all about the lawsuit, and this thread is just the sequel. The facts are all spilled out in those over a period of several years, including a review of the actual (cringeworthy, terrible, laughable) unfinished script for the abandoned feature.

But quick precis, Alec Peters...

• could not control himself and got himself banned from this board three times (coming back under different names before being swiftly IDed and tossed out the airlock again)
• ran his Propworks company into the ground and never paid off the debt he owed MGM
• is a bully who
  • threatens anyone who criticizes him for anything
  • files frivolous lawsuits against people to try to shut them up
• managed to drive off or "fired" virtually the entire crew that made Prelude to Axanar happen
• raised in excess of 1.4 million dollars in crowdfunding and donations and
  • never even managed to send most backers their "perk" patches
  • never got a locked shooting script
  • banned and trolled any backer who dared challenge him on any point
  • ran through the bulk of the money by...
• ignored the advice of his now-former colleagues who advised him not to rent an improperly equipped warehouse and try to bring it up to code for use as a soundstage
• poked the bear of CBS/Paramount by
  • insisting Axanar wasn't a fanfilm but that it was an independent professional Star Trek production
  • selling and proposing merchandise (models, books, etc.)
  • trying to convince at least one Trek novelist to violate the terms of his publishing agreement and write Axanar fiction
• And then the lawsuit

After which the shenanigans continued.

And some of us [points to self smugly] predicted that Peter was going to bring the wrath of CBS down on Axanar and sure enough, he did.

 

This sounds like one of AP’s sycophants. Or possibly even AP himself, under yet another alias, checking in to “keep the record straight”.

If so, I only have this to say: I donated money to Alec’s project in good faith nearly 4 years ago. There has been absolutely nothing - FUCKING ZERO - to show for it. I should have received a patch and BRD of Prelude, which I still don’t have after all this time. And yet, he and his minions saw fit to sell off their stock of perks at conventions that should have, instead, gone to donors like me. He has been effectively double-tapping the revenue on those things. This is the very textbook definition of fraud. All this and so many other things that have already been mentioned ad nausium, ad infinitum, here (and quite well summarized by @Maurice above) in this thread. Take some time to read it and get educated before speaking out of profound ignorance.

So, Lieutenant @Handyman, if you think you’re going to come here and finger-wag us into submission, you’d better get your facts straight, as there are many people here who clearly know a metric fuck-ton more about it than you.

 

^Unless of course you are Alec, or one of his people, in which case you are just making yourself look like an idiot.