Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion

[Awesome Possum]

And just who, pray tell, is the movie made for? Seriously, let's spell it out.

If the implication is supposed to be that the movie is made for women, then why was the audience something like 60% men? I think that, while it's true that movies can be made for a certain audience, it's more a matter of genre, not gender.

Not all men are so easily upset by women.

Brie Larson has referred to white men in a way that, if she were speaking about any other identity group, would have been immediately condemned as hate speech. Her goal may be merely more diversity but that's not how she said it. If she had some women and minority critics whose work she wanted to promote, by all means go for it. But a lot of people seem to think that promoting diversity is too hard, so they just settle for denigrating white men and figure, "Meh, basically the same thing. Good enough."

Yeah, that's absolute bullshit. She said that we should hear more voices because we focus on how white men feel about a movie made for a different audience, when we should hear what that audience thinks about it. If you truly believe that is somehow a bigoted attack on men, then I really don't know how to respond to you because you are completely unreasonable and possible delusional. You seem upset about what you think she said instead of her actual words. It doesn't help that I see similar performances of being upset where they purposely change what she said, which convinces others of the same.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

"I don't need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about A Wrinkle in Time."

Now, try replacing "white dude" with "black woman" or any other racial or gender or identity signifiers and tell me it doesn't sound incredibly bigoted.

 

[Awesome Possum]

"I don't need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about A Wrinkle in Time."

Now, try replacing "white dude" with "black woman" or any other racial or gender or identity signifiers and tell me it doesn't sound incredibly bigoted.

You're ignoring the fact that "white dudes" have had a major influence and control over society for a very long time, black women or any other group haven't. That's the difference that you are choosing to ignore. There is a very major context to her statement and I think you know that.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

"I don't need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about A Wrinkle in Time."

Now, try replacing "white dude" with "black woman" or any other racial or gender or identity signifiers and tell me it doesn't sound incredibly bigoted.

I don't need a 40 year old Japanese woman to tell me what didn't work for her about A Wrinkle in Time.

Seems fine to me.

I don't need a 40 year black woman to tell me what didn't work for her about Dora the Explorer.

Yeah, I'm fine with that.

I don't need a 40 year old Kenyan man to tell me what didn't work for him about 1776.

Yeah, that's fine.

This is a ridiculous thing to complain about, and an even more ridiculous thing to still be complaining about months later.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I don't need a 40 year old Japanese woman to tell me what didn't work for her about A Wrinkle in Time.

Seems fine to me.

I don't need a 40 year black woman to tell me what didn't work for her about Dora the Explorer.

Yeah, I'm fine with that.

I don't need a 40 year old Kenyan man to tell me what didn't work for him about 1776.

Yeah, that's fine.

This is a ridiculous thing to complain about, and an even more ridiculous thing to still be complaining about months later.

"I demand that you listen to the opinion of a white man!"

This is called entitlement and it's pathetic.

 

[theenglish]

What you are missing in that statement is that for literally centuries us "white dudes" have been almost entirely the soul voice in nearly every aspect of Western culture. That left more than fifty percent of the population out of having a voice. So "white dudes" were almost exclusively the only voice being heard. All she is saying in her statement, is that other voices need to be heard.

 

[Refuge]

"I don't need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about A Wrinkle in Time."

Now, try replacing "white dude" with "black woman" or any other racial or gender or identity signifiers and tell me it doesn't sound incredibly bigoted.

You need to stop being so logical and try to be more politically correct - lol. (I'm like tongue in cheek here). Seriously I think any woman with 'agency' fucking well has it already! That she needs to posture about giving a male dude a smack down shows that she's STILL using him as a bloody metric. Why bring him in to it at all? I feel a little frustrated by this because it's a self-defeating argument

 

[Awesome Possum]

“logical”

 

[Refuge]

Feminine

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Feminine

Cruel.

 

[Spot261]

Feminine

We love you @Awesome Possum

 

[Crazyewok]

"I demand that you listen to the opinion of a white man!"

This is called entitlement and it's pathetic.

In Principe i agree.

However would you demand that white males listen to you?

That principle works both ways.

Feminine

Not cool.

 

[Spot261]

In Principe i agree.

However would you demand that white males listen to you?

That principle works both ways.



Not cool.

As a white male I have to say she listens far more than you might think.

In general not going to disagree with you.

 

[Anwar]

Brie Larson has referred to white men in a way that, if she were speaking about any other identity group, would have been immediately condemned as hate speech.

She did not. She just didn't mince her words because these days unless you're blunt your message won't get across.

And the director herself said she made the movie for black and biracial people, so in that context it makes perfect sense for an out of touch member of the Hollywood Overclass (a white guy)'s opinion to not be relevant.

 

[Infern0]

She did not.

She did, that's a FACT

There's a double standard in play and you can debate the validity of that but to deny the above statement is either a lie or straight ignorance.

 

[Anwar]

She did, that's a FACT

Nope, pointing out Overclass dominance isn't hate speech.

 

[Infern0]

Nope, pointing out Overclass dominance isn't hate speech.

That isn't what he said though is it.

 

[Anwar]

That isn't what he said though is it.

Yes, it is.

 

[Infern0]

Yes, it is.

Read what he wrote again and stop making yourself appear foolish.

 

[Awesome Possum]

In Principe i agree.

However would you demand that white males listen to you?

That principle works both ways.
.

No, I’m not entitled to have my voice heard. In fact, in society it isn’t heard at all.

That isn't what he said though is it.

Read what he wrote again and stop making yourself appear foolish.

Who’s “he”?