Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion

Not all men are so easily upset by women.

Yeah, that's absolute bullshit. She said that we should hear more voices because we focus on how white men feel about a movie made for a different audience, when we should hear what that audience thinks about it. If you truly believe that is somehow a bigoted attack on men, then I really don't know how to respond to you because you are completely unreasonable and possible delusional. You seem upset about what you think she said instead of her actual words. It doesn't help that I see similar performances of being upset where they purposely change what she said, which convinces others of the same.

 

"I don't need a 40 year old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him about A Wrinkle in Time."

Now, try replacing "white dude" with "black woman" or any other racial or gender or identity signifiers and tell me it doesn't sound incredibly bigoted.

 

You're ignoring the fact that "white dudes" have had a major influence and control over society for a very long time, black women or any other group haven't. That's the difference that you are choosing to ignore. There is a very major context to her statement and I think you know that.

 

I don't need a 40 year old Japanese woman to tell me what didn't work for her about A Wrinkle in Time.

Seems fine to me.

I don't need a 40 year black woman to tell me what didn't work for her about Dora the Explorer.

Yeah, I'm fine with that.

I don't need a 40 year old Kenyan man to tell me what didn't work for him about 1776.

Yeah, that's fine.

This is a ridiculous thing to complain about, and an even more ridiculous thing to still be complaining about months later.

 

"I demand that you listen to the opinion of a white man!"

This is called entitlement and it's pathetic.

 

What you are missing in that statement is that for literally centuries us "white dudes" have been almost entirely the soul voice in nearly every aspect of Western culture. That left more than fifty percent of the population out of having a voice. So "white dudes" were almost exclusively the only voice being heard. All she is saying in her statement, is that other voices need to be heard.

 

You need to stop being so logical and try to be more politically correct - lol. (I'm like tongue in cheek here). Seriously I think any woman with 'agency' fucking well has it already! That she needs to posture about giving a male dude a smack down shows that she's STILL using him as a bloody metric. Why bring him in to it at all? I feel a little frustrated by this because it's a self-defeating argument

 

“logical”

 

Feminine

 

Cruel.

 

We love you @Awesome Possum

 

In Principe i agree.

However would you demand that white males listen to you?

That principle works both ways.

Not cool.

 

As a white male I have to say she listens far more than you might think.

In general not going to disagree with you.

 

She did not. She just didn't mince her words because these days unless you're blunt your message won't get across.

And the director herself said she made the movie for black and biracial people, so in that context it makes perfect sense for an out of touch member of the Hollywood Overclass (a white guy)'s opinion to not be relevant.

 

She did, that's a FACT

There's a double standard in play and you can debate the validity of that but to deny the above statement is either a lie or straight ignorance.

 

Nope, pointing out Overclass dominance isn't hate speech.

 

That isn't what he said though is it.

 

Yes, it is.

 

Read what he wrote again and stop making yourself appear foolish.

 

No, I’m not entitled to have my voice heard. In fact, in society it isn’t heard at all.

Who’s “he”?