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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

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Agreed. This cast and these characters have me aboard for the ride.



Yes, this is my issue, that it's going to feel generic non-Trek. That was my issue with Voyager much of the time. But this time they at least got me on board with these characters.



I had *not* seen that piece yet, and I simply took that ending as a cliffhanger about the Discovery disappearing into the future, and that the Enterprise portion was simply the love letter and signoff for Spock/Pike/Number One, and to give you just enough info about the Disco to keep you hanging. If there wasn't talk of a Pike series, I think it just reads as, here's the last time we're seeing these guys. Which I suspect it is, but I'm still hopeful.



I think this is likely. Why would there necessarily still be a Federation? And they will need some sort of conflict for the drama and danger.



Good catch!
As I was typing that this AM I had a friend text me, theorizing that DSC is done and the series will pick up with Pike & Co. I let him know what Kurtzman said so he’s set straight now but I guess that’s proof positive that some are taking it how I suspected they might.
 
Off topic but David Marusek's novel "Counting Heads" has an interesting side plot of the difficulties law enforcement in the future would have hunting down rogue AI's that refuse to shut themselves down specifically because of the many multiple backup locations they might leave for themselves in case of such a problem, especially if they had a directive that required the stay alive. But if ST never bothers going into what happened to Control's backups, I'm fine with that.
The storyline in Voyager about the rogue Holograms created by the Hirogen for training was good as well.

The Hirogen and Species 8472 were great and should have been used more.
 
I don't think they'll stay 950 years in the future for long. It would be hard to come up with compelling technological advancements that wouldn't transform the Federation into some kind of lazy ass utopia. The alternative would be to describe a dystopian future but that's not really how star trek works.
 
Holy shit talk about over-correcting your series' premise...

The episode itself? Was fine. I actually really liked it, save the last 5 minutes.

But as someone who just this season actually got into this show - invalidating everything what happened in these two years with a big "it's classified, we don't talk about it anymore" doesn't bode well with me at all.

And I honestly don't get what type of story-possibilites the 33rd century has to offer that the 23rd - outside of Federation space, if the ship actually went exploring - couldn't have offered as well. Except for extreme lore-galores of the future of familiar elements, planets and species. Which the previous two seasons have been. Which have now essentially been completely ereased from lore. Ugh.
Better if the actions had actually caused a reset rather than the nudge nudge wink wink I don't know what you are talking about.

It just doesn't sound enforceable, that is what they have gone with and that's that.

Unless it's not quite over yet, someone has to send that probe back in time, it's a paradox otherwise.
 
Perhaps in the next season we will get storylines that have Discovery in the future somehow working in parallel with Enterprise in the past.

Kor
 
Perhaps in the next season we will get storylines that have Discovery in the future somehow working in parallel with Enterprise in the past.

Kor

I hope not. I don't care for that kind of storytelling. One series finale of it was enough, it was good... but enough.
 
I'd rather wait to see what "The Future" actually is before jumping to conclusions about it. But that's just me.

One thing I'm pretty sure it's not going to be is "TNG but further down the line!" Forget about Discovery Season 3, I don't even think the Picard Series will be much like TNG. The Borg, the Dominion War, and the destruction of Romulus have probably left the Federation in a different place. We've seen too little of the post-DS9 Federation to really say what it's like. Let alone two decades later.
 
That had to be one of the most elaborate attempts ever to pull a show back to a status quo. I think as far as it goes they did a pretty good job bringing in Pike, Spock and the Enterprise but I never really felt like Discovery belonged in the 23rd Century anyway except to appease the die-hard oldtimers. I like that it's finally free to be whatever and they hopefully have satisfied those who just want to see the new adventures of 1966. Ideally, it would be nice if both could continue but I already see people complaining about not getting the future right!
 
About the Borg in the remote future, either the whole galaxy will be Borg or they'll have gone extinct. I can't imagine a peaceful cohabitation between the Borg and... anyone else.
 
About the Borg in the remote future, either the whole galaxy will be Borg or they'll have gone extinct. I can't imagine a peaceful cohabitation between the Borg and... anyone else.

The Borg were already 900 years old in TNG/VOY. You're over-analyzing. I'm sure something happened in-between or they're biding their time for whatever they want to do. They don't want to assimilate everything. They deemed the Kazon unworthy of assimilation. And they can't assimilate Species 8472. Other races can defend against the Borg once they know how.
 
You don’t know the future

I know the past which what I was speaking about. I didn't say the Disco would never go toward a dystopian future. What I am saying is that it wouldn't be Star-Trekkie. In fact, it would be the opposite of Star Trekkie.
 
Somewhere I read the hypothesis that "Borg" could be a phenomenon that ebbs and flows throughout galactic history. So there could have been multiple "origins" for the Borg over the past thousands of years, and none of them contradict each other.

Kor
 
As I was typing that this AM I had a friend text me, theorizing that DSC is done and the series will pick up with Pike & Co. I let him know what Kurtzman said so he’s set straight now but I guess that’s proof positive that some are taking it how I suspected they might.
Well, anybody that pays attention will see indicators in the Internetz that They are working on Season-3 come mid-summer.
 
The Borg were already 900 years old in TNG/VOY. You're over-analyzing. I'm sure something happened in-between or they're biding their time for whatever they want to do. They don't want to assimilate everything. They deemed the Kazon unworthy of assimilation. And they can't assimilate Species 8472. Other races can defend against the Borg once they know how.

What I am saying is that there is no modus Vivendi with the Borg. Either you fight them or you put your head in the sand hoping they'll leave you alone. I one case you'll hate to exterminate them and in the other, they'll exterminate you or put an end to your way of life if you will. You can't have Borg as your neighbor and hope that they'll leave you alone. That's antinomic with the very concept of the Borg.
 
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